Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[umid123]

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umid123 your full of sheet! List when you first posted you said you were not here to fight with anyone. Why don't you leave now while the going is good! Don't let the door hit you in the ars.

why are you being a douche? cant you be civil? Listen its not like i am saying it, According to our news this is where its at. Everyday they talk about it on TV. Everyday some foreign organization condemns it but we both know nobody gives a xxxx about you or us. If today powers need Armenia they will sing one song, but if they need oil and gas they will play another tune. I am not fighting with you not here, it doesnt make sense. just saying you can swing ur arms all day long with out knowing what is going on behind your back. Friends will turn sides quick on each other, but we will be blind.

[umid123]

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ur full of xxxx kids don't get targeted by Armenian Snipers!

First of all please dont be rude , second of all i never said that i exclude the chance of this being just another propaganda. And i think actually there is a high probability of it happening

[burjuin]

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102 military base of Russia's Armed Forces in the Republic of Armenia:

[londontsi]

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No expert here but I can tell that hitting ground stations ain't gonna help:

There isn’t much difference between Military or commercial communication satellites. Apparently this one will stay in a geosynchronous orbit (which means it will orbits at the speed of earth rotation, the satellite will be seen stationary in the Azeri sky from a ground observer).
Armenia should track its orbit closely, however nobody can guarantee that it will not be used for military purposes. Let Ex-Im Bank release the details of this contract to us or Armenia will consider (should consider) this French satellite as a legitimate target.

The US military, for example, uses commercial communications satellites to control and get data from unmanned drones, and for secure military cell phone networks. And a country that has its own satellite, even a commercial one, could provide advantage to its military, said an Air Force officer who spoke to EurasiaNet.org on condition of anonymity. “You're guaranteed access, you're guaranteed communications,” the officer said.

I wouldn't be too confident that this satellite is indestructible.

A satellite will have enough RF power (radio transmitters) to send signals to earth for each and every communications receiver.
However individual receivers do not have enough power to transmit back to the satellite.
This is done from a master transmitter at a ground station.

You need a powerful and directional transmitter to do that ( I will not go too much into technicals ).
This is achieved by a large ( 3-4 M ) Dish antenna and its associated equipment.
This is the GROUND STATION providing the UPLINK.

The data route to the satellite is through the network ( microwave links, fibre optic or copper cables etc) to the ground station and then uplinked to the satellite.

For obvious (technical) reasons the ground station cannot be mobile and therefore an “easy “ target.

A ground station is normally identifiable by its DISH antenna.
You loose the Dish and associated equipment you lose the UpLink.

You lose the Uplink you have lost communications with the satellite.
That would be the end of that.

My original question was concerning targeting with (GPS) accuracy and the footprint of the damage to put out of action the ground station.

[Joseph]

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First of all please dont be rude , second of all i never said that i exclude the chance of this being just another propaganda. And i think actually there is a high probability of it happening

umid123 has not written anything rude or offensive

[Eddo211]

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I wouldn't be too confident that this satellite is indestructible.

A satellite will have enough RF power (radio transmitters) to send signals to earth for each and every communications receiver.
However individual receivers do not have enough power to transmit back to the satellite.
This is done from a master transmitter at a ground station.

You need a powerful and directional transmitter to do that ( I will not go too much into technicals ).
This is achieved by a large ( 3-4 M ) Dish antenna and its associated equipment.
This is the GROUND STATION providing the UPLINK.

The data route to the satellite is through the network ( microwave links, fibre optic or copper cables etc) to the ground station and then uplinked to the satellite.

For obvious (technical) reasons the ground station cannot be mobile and therefore an “easy “ target.

A ground station is normally identifiable by its DISH antenna.
You loose the Dish and associated equipment you lose the UpLink.

You lose the Uplink you have lost communications with the satellite.
That would be the end of that.

My original question was concerning targeting with (GPS) accuracy and the footprint of the damage to put out of action the ground station.

I suppose so, a GPS guided rocket can do it if you have the coordinates....you think there might be more than one ground station?

Also, couldn't Turkey upload to satelitte say from their AWAK?

[Federate]

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Armenia raises army draft age


Armenia has raised the draft age of its army conscripts by a year. A bill setting the new conscription age at 19 was unanimously approved by the country’s parliament on Thursday.

Justice Minister Hrayr Tovmasyan said the measure was necessary because Armenia had adopted a new 12-year education system.

“As a result of applying new educational standards persons not finishing school were reaching the draft age,” Tovmasyan explained.

The minister said Armenia would have to deal with 6,000 such cases in 2012 and therefore it was expedient to regulate those cases with a law.

So far young men without deferment from active military service have been called up for two-year military duty in the conscription-based armed forces upon attaining the age of 18. Conscription and demobilization in Armenia are carried out on a half-yearly basis.

http://armenianow.com/news/29637/armenia_draft_age_19

[Eddo211]

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Does Armenia own any short range tactical missles/rocket (over 300km)?

Azeris already have OTR-21 Tochka and are planning to buy maybe Chineese SY-400, a GPS/INS guided artillery rocket system since its range is not limited to 300km by export laws.
Something similar to this can reach deep inside Azerbaijan and take out a strategic target, like a satelitte dish? I would think this is what you need, speaking as an ignorant airman in this ground defense field that is.

[Joseph]

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Please note the Yusuf Ziya Arpacik and his xxxxxes got their asses handed to them already back in 1992-1994

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/world/news/63772/Stepanakert_second_war_in_Karabakh_will_also_result_in_Azerbaijans_defeat

Stepanakert: second war in Karabakh will also result in Azerbaijan’s defeat
March 11, 2011 - 12:11 AMT

PanARMENIAN.Net - Chairman of the NKR National Assembly standing committee on foreign relations Vahram Atanesyan said that the Turkish subdivision of the Union of Winds participated in the first war in Karabakh, and we have seen its results.
“I do not think that the NKR Defense Army is so week that anyone – be it the Azerbaijani army, or some other units – will manage to achieve considerable results in case of hostilities resumption,” Atanesyan told a PanARMENIAN.Net reporter.
He noted that one should get prepared not for a war, but for a constructive dialogue for the Karabakh conflict peaceful settlement.
“Besides, it is necessary to consider the fact that parliamentary elections will take place in Turkey in June, while the country’s authorities pull at the heartstrings of the population’s majority,” Atanesyan said.

The Turkish subdivision of the Union of Winds believes that if diplomatic ways for the Nagorno Karabakh conflict settlement do not yield results, a war will become inevitable.
Commander of the Union of Winds Yusuf Ziya Arpacik stated that all the units of the Union of Winds are on high alert and ready to start fighting for Karabakh.
The Union of Winds subdivision consists of former commandos and fighters of special forces of the Turkish bodies of internal affairs. The subdivision reconciles its actions with the Turkish military command, but has no a direct relation to the Turkish armed forces and does not make a part of the country’s army.

[edojan]

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Does Armenia own any short range tactical missles/rocket (over 300km)?

Azeris already have OTR-21 Tochka and are planning to buy maybe Chineese SY-400, a GPS/INS guided artillery rocket system since its range is not limited to 300km by export laws.
Something similar to this can reach deep inside Azerbaijan and take out a strategic target, like a satelitte dish? I would think this is what you need, speaking as an ignorant airman in this ground defense field that is.

I doubt they do , and if they do not in quantities that will make a difference. Until Armenia begins production of its own missiles (short/med range ballistic, anti tank/air ..) there will always be a huge threat of being overwhelmed by opponent that can purchase such weapons by the boatload due to its economic ability. I don't see an alternative to local production and defense minister hinted this last year when they extended Russian military base contract.