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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
Հայաստանի զինված ուժերն արդեն ունեն «Սմերչ»
Պաշտպանության նախարարի խոսնակ Դավիթ Կարապետյանը Tert.am-ի հետ զրույցում հրաժարվեց մեկնաբանել ռուսական «Սմերչ» զինատեսակի նկատմամբ Հայաստանի պաշտպանության նախարարության ներկայացուցիչների հետաքրքրության մասին լուրը:
Մինսկում կայացած Milex-2011 ցուցահանդեսին Հայաստանի ներկայացուցիչները հետարքրքություն են ցուցաբերել «Սմերչ» համազարկի ռեակտիվ համակարգերի նկատմամբ: Ըստ «Մեդիամաքս» գործակալության՝ ռուսական Военно-промышленный Курьер հանդեսին տված հարցազրույցում այս մասին ասել է «Ռոսօբորոնէքսպորտ» ընկերության հատուկ հանձնարարությունների գծով տնօրեն Նիկոլայ Դիմիդյուկը: Նրա խոսքով՝ «հետաքրքիր բանակցություններ են անցկացվել Հայաստանի և Ղազախստանի ներկայացուցիչների հետ, որոնք հետաքրքրված էին «Սմերչ»-ով և սպառազինության արդիականացմամբ»:
«Զերծ եմ մնում «Ռոսօբորոնէքսպորտ» ընկերության ներկայացուցչի խոսքը մեկնաբանելուց: Կցանկանայի նշել, որ ՀՀ զինված ուժերը մշտապես համալրվում են նոր զինատեսակներով ու ժամանակակից սպառազինությամբ»,- ասաց Դավիթ Կարապետյանը:
Պաշտպանության նախարարությունում Tert.am-ի անանուն աղբյուրը փաստեց, որ Հայաստանի զինված ուժերն արդեն ունեն այս զինատեսակը:
Համազարկ կրակի «Սմերչ» ռեակտիվ համակարգը համազարկով կրակող առավել հզոր զինատեսակներից մեկն է: Զինատեսակը հարմարեցված է «ՄԱԶ 543 Մ» բեռնատար ավտոմոբոիլին: Ընդամենը երեք րոպեի ընթացքում «Սմերչը» կարող է բերվել ամբողջական մարտական պարաստվածության և ընդամենը մեկ րոպեից՝ հեռանալ կրակը արձակելու վայրից, ինչը գործնականում անխոցելի է դարձնում այս զինատեսակը:
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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
Originally posted by Vrej1915 View PostWe have this system for a long time .
This is not news.
http://www.armenialiberty.org/conten.../24228183.html
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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
More on Armenia's Smerch interest.
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Armenian Military ‘Interested’ In Russian Rocket Systems
Belarus -- An army Smerch (Tornado), Soviet-made heavy multiple rocket launcher, fires during exercises in the Brest region, 25Jan2011
Sargis Harutyunyan
Armenia has indicated its desire to acquire Russian rocket artillery systems that have a firing range of up to 90 kilometers, according to a senior Russian defense industry executive.
Nikolay Dimidyuk of the state-run Rosoboronexport company was quoted this week by the Moscow-based magazine “Voenno-Promyshlenny Kurier” as saying that Armenian officials showed an interest in the BM-30 Smerch (Tornado) multiple launch rocket systems during a recent international arms exhibition in Minsk.
Dimidyuk said that they as well as military officials from Kazakhstan held “interesting negotiations” with Rosoboronexport representatives in the Belarusian capital. “These were not mere courtesy visits, we discussed concrete issues,” he said.
“We have not cooperated so closely with members states of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) before,” added the Russian official.
The Armenian Defense Ministry declined to confirm or deny this information. “Armenia’s armed forces are constantly supplied with new and modern weaponry,” ministry spokesman Davit Karapetian told RFE/RL’s Armenian service. “It is not expedient to divulge details of our arms purchases.”
A Defense Ministry source, who asked not to be identified, said in that context that the Armenian army already possesses Smerch systems.
Developed in the early 1980s, Smerch is arguably the most powerful multiple launch rocket system in the world. It can fire twelve 300-milimeter rockets in a single salvo that lasts for less than a minute.
Belarus -- Belarus soldiers load rockets into a Smerch (Tornado), during firing exercises near the village of Golenchitsy, 25Jan2011
The truck-mounted systems are currently estimated to cost $12 million each. It is not clear whether Armenia can acquire them at a knockdown price or even free of charge thanks to its membership in the CSTO or a Russian-Armenian defense agreement signed last August. The agreement commits Moscow to supplying the Armenian military with “special military hardware.”
A possible purchase of Smerch rockets would highlight Armenia’s intensifying arms race with Azerbaijan, whose armed forces reportedly have at least 12 such systems.
Defense Minister Seyran Ohanian said in February that the Armenian military received “unprecedented” quantities of modern weapons last year and will continue the build-up in 2011. Ohanian gave no details of those deliveries.
Yerevan officially confirmed in late December that it possesses Russian S-300 surface-to-air missiles widely regarded as one of the world’s most potent anti-aircraft weapons. Earlier in December, President Serzh Sarkisian and his National Security Council approved a five-year plan to modernize Armenia’s armed forces. It envisages, among other things, the acquisition of long-range precision-guided weapons.
Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!
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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
Originally posted by Federate View PostMore on Armenia's Smerch interest.
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Armenian Military ‘Interested’ In Russian Rocket Systems
Belarus -- An army Smerch (Tornado), Soviet-made heavy multiple rocket launcher, fires during exercises in the Brest region, 25Jan2011
Sargis Harutyunyan
Armenia has indicated its desire to acquire Russian rocket artillery systems that have a firing range of up to 90 kilometers, according to a senior Russian defense industry executive.
Nikolay Dimidyuk of the state-run Rosoboronexport company was quoted this week by the Moscow-based magazine “Voenno-Promyshlenny Kurier” as saying that Armenian officials showed an interest in the BM-30 Smerch (Tornado) multiple launch rocket systems during a recent international arms exhibition in Minsk.
Dimidyuk said that they as well as military officials from Kazakhstan held “interesting negotiations” with Rosoboronexport representatives in the Belarusian capital. “These were not mere courtesy visits, we discussed concrete issues,” he said.
“We have not cooperated so closely with members states of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) before,” added the Russian official.
The Armenian Defense Ministry declined to confirm or deny this information. “Armenia’s armed forces are constantly supplied with new and modern weaponry,” ministry spokesman Davit Karapetian told RFE/RL’s Armenian service. “It is not expedient to divulge details of our arms purchases.”
A Defense Ministry source, who asked not to be identified, said in that context that the Armenian army already possesses Smerch systems.
Developed in the early 1980s, Smerch is arguably the most powerful multiple launch rocket system in the world. It can fire twelve 300-milimeter rockets in a single salvo that lasts for less than a minute.
Belarus -- Belarus soldiers load rockets into a Smerch (Tornado), during firing exercises near the village of Golenchitsy, 25Jan2011
The truck-mounted systems are currently estimated to cost $12 million each. It is not clear whether Armenia can acquire them at a knockdown price or even free of charge thanks to its membership in the CSTO or a Russian-Armenian defense agreement signed last August. The agreement commits Moscow to supplying the Armenian military with “special military hardware.”
A possible purchase of Smerch rockets would highlight Armenia’s intensifying arms race with Azerbaijan, whose armed forces reportedly have at least 12 such systems.
Defense Minister Seyran Ohanian said in February that the Armenian military received “unprecedented” quantities of modern weapons last year and will continue the build-up in 2011. Ohanian gave no details of those deliveries.
Yerevan officially confirmed in late December that it possesses Russian S-300 surface-to-air missiles widely regarded as one of the world’s most potent anti-aircraft weapons. Earlier in December, President Serzh Sarkisian and his National Security Council approved a five-year plan to modernize Armenia’s armed forces. It envisages, among other things, the acquisition of long-range precision-guided weapons.
http://www.azatutyun.am/content/article/24228862.html
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Originally posted by ninetoyadome View PostWhat were those articles posted above stating Armenia already has the BM-30 Smerch? Do they or dont they?
"A Defense Ministry source, who asked not to be identified, said in that context that the Armenian army already possesses Smerch systems."Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!
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Originally posted by Federate View PostThis one says it too:
"A Defense Ministry source, who asked not to be identified, said in that context that the Armenian army already possesses Smerch systems."
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Originally posted by ninetoyadome View PostSo its basically like the S-300, unidentified sources stated Armenia had it in there possession and it turned out we did so i would say we probably do have Smerch systems. Like many have stated before unlike the azeris Armenia does not go public with the purchases.For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.
http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html
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I'm a betting man and would wager they have acquired this system or are at the very least in the process of acquiring the system. I would also assume they have been/will be purchased at a discount. This seems to mirror the S-300 scenario: rumors persist that Armenia has the system, Armenians clamor for the system, our enemies say it will not be obtained, and finally the Armenian military begrudgingly admits to having it, enemies scratch their heads.General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”
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