Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Artsakh]

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As expected, the talks didn't lead to any results. It's just politics, as if they're working on it. Time is on our side. The status quo serves our interests. No one is giving up anything to the baboons, not 1 square inch. The only thing remaining to be done is populating these territories and increasing the population of NK, that is one of the true sources of guarantees for peace and security, and not giving up lands in exchange for some piece of paper recognizing Karabakh's boundries. If a paper is what we're after, then we've already got one of those--the treaty of sevres--and I don't know what good it's doing us. The only other diplomatic victory in such case would be establishment of diplomatic ties with turkey and opening of the border. This would serve as a diplomatic SLAP on Azerbaboon's face and would help the economy, it would surely give us more wight in our dealings with Azerbaijan in spite of what some people say, priorities remain priorities and right now our priorities are not western armenia but preserving our liberated lands in and around artsakh.

[londontsi]

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The only other diplomatic victory in such case would be establishment of diplomatic ties with turkey and opening of the border. This would serve as a diplomatic SLAP on Azerbaboon's face and would help the economy, .....

Turkey has said on a number occasions it will not establish diplomatic relations/open border until Karabagh issue is settled and in Azerbaijan's favour.

To retract from that Turkey will loose face and will be seen as having succumbed to “little” Armenia.
This will just not happen.

In the mean time Armenia's economy has “adjusted” to the realities of that situation.
Trade exists and is done through Georgia. The benefits of opening border will be marginal.

Considering these facts the opening of the border has become irrelevant (in a practical sense).
Although it remains a good point scoring slogan in the diplomatic arena.

The only opening of borders in the region which will help Armenia economically is Georgia/Abkhazia/Russia, to be followed by the Railway line.
A very long shot.

Another very long shot is the Railway line Armenia/Azerbaijan/Russia. Even a longer shot you might say.
Except in case of a war that territory is controlled by Armenian forces effectively counter blockading Azerbaijan vis-a-vi Georgia/Turkey.
Then the equation on the table could be you let me through and I will let you through.

In the mean time we have in the pipeline the Armenia/Iran Railway line.
Although it cannot replace the link to Russia a far more desirable scenario than open border to Turkey.

[Muhaha]

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Good.
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Sarkisian, Aliyev Fail to Reach Agreement in Kazan

(A.W.)–Armenian President Serge Sarkisian and Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev met at a summit hosted by Russia, in an effort to reach an agreement on Nagorno Karabagh. The two states have been under pressure from Russia and the U.S. to reach a tangible solution.

The talks, which were held in Kazan, capital of Russia’s Republic of Tatarstan, and mediated by Russian President Dmitry Medvedev, failed to produce such an agreement.

http://www.armenianweekly.com/2011/06/24/sarkisian-aliyev-fail-to-reach-agreement-in-kazan/

[Vrej1915]

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Let's congratulate our people for the failure of this latest conspiracy in Kazan.

But what a pity, and pain, to live in fear, not of the enemy, but from the unreliability of the persons supposed to represent us in such spheres...
No matter the fact that no commander will obey the capitulation act signed on a gambling table, the losses would be huge.

Our number one security concern is unfortunately not the acquisition of some new divisions of long range missiles, or some new armements insuring the devastation of our potential enemies capitals, but how to get rid of such unreliable, defeatist leaders like ours, as well as preventing the return of his spiritual father, number one surrenderer, LTP ...

It is really a pity, but no matter how I look at it, this is our biggest security challenge.
How long can we live with this kind of uncertainty?
We may and will face any external threat, wars, invasions, etc... but we can not afford to have unreliable persons representing us on this kind of situations.

No one in Armenia, let alone the Diaspora, has any certainty on the national/moral values of the actual president.
First and foremost the people who worked with him during the war.

Even his nowdays closest 'political' collaborators have no idea of his convictions (provided they have any, I agree).

The impression is, that the only reason he does not sell everything, is because the external powers does not permit it, plus his knowledge, that he will not survive for long, even in the best protected bunkers of Monte Carlo or Las Vegas....

I search for any similar situation, where the leader of a nation, having survived total anhilation twice in less than one century, having lost 90% of its lands, etc... and at the end of the day, by a combination of national and cosmic miracles still not understandable to many, having liberated 1% of the lost 90% with huge human and economic sacrifices, that so called leader who's legitimacy is questioned by everybody apart from the enemy, can stand before his people, and preach the necessity to still surrender that tiny 1%, concentrate of hope and security, in name of any reason....

[KarotheGreat]

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Let's congratulate our people for the failure of this latest conspiracy in Kazan.

But what a pity, and pain, to live in fear, not of the enemy, but from the unreliability of the persons supposed to represent us in such spheres...
No matter the fact that no commander will obey the capitulation act signed on a gambling table, the losses would be huge.

Our number one security concern is unfortunately not the acquisition of some new divisions of long range missiles, or some new armements insuring the devastation of our potential enemies capitals, but how to get rid of such unreliable, defeatist leaders like ours, as well as preventing the return of his spiritual father, number one surrenderer, LTP ...

It is really a pity, but no matter how I look at it, this is our biggest security challenge.
How long can we live with this kind of uncertainty?
We may and will face any external threat, wars, invasions, etc... but we can not afford to have unreliable persons representing us on this kind of situations.

No one in Armenia, let alone the Diaspora, has any certainty on the national/moral values of the actual president.
First and foremost the people who worked with him during the war.

Even his nowdays closest 'political' collaborators have no idea of his convictions (provided they have any, I agree).

The impression is, that the only reason he does not sell everything, is because the external powers does not permit it, plus his knowledge, that he will not survive for long, even in the best protected bunkers of Monte Carlo or Las Vegas....

I search for any similar situation, where the leader of a nation, having survived total anhilation twice in less than one century, having lost 90% of its lands, etc... and at the end of the day, by a combination of national and cosmic miracles still not understandable to many, having liberated 1% of the lost 90% with huge human and economic sacrifices, that so called leader who's legitimacy is questioned by everybody apart from the enemy, can stand before his people, and preach the necessity to still surrender that tiny 1%, concentrate of hope and security, in name of any reason....

What has the guy got to do to prove himself, every time you hear the same hysterical BS coming out of the mouths of Armenians that think the world is a place where you can do as you please and actions don't have consequences.
Serge has proven himself to be the best leader that the modern state of Armenia has had until this day. He's the only one that can lead the state of Armenia right now. Who do you want to be a leader, a dashnak who can't play the game of politics and are viewed very negatively in the world or a retard that will alienate our allies?

[arakeretzig]

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What has the guy got to do to prove himself, every time you hear the same hysterical BS coming out of the mouths of Armenians that think the world is a place where you can do as you please and actions don't have consequences.
Serge has proven himself to be the best leader that the modern state of Armenia has had until this day. He's the only one that can lead the state of Armenia right now. Who do you want to be a leader, a dashnak who can't play the game of politics and are viewed very negatively in the world or a retard that will alienate our allies?

Serj is a softy. Armenia needs a man, like putin.

[KarotheGreat]

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Serj is a softy. Armenia needs a man, like putin.

What has he done that proves that he is a softy or is it that you don't like that he doesn't foam every time Artsakh and giving back is mentioned?

[Vardan]

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Serge Sarkisian is the best President of Armenia since independence.

[londontsi]

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http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/news/73233/

Baku failed Kazan meeting with attempt to impose 10 new proposals

PanARMENIAN.Net - Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandian has explained why no agreement on the Nagorno Karabakh conflict resolution was reached during the trilateral presidential meeting in Kazan on June 24.

“When addressing the PACE plenary meeting recently, Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan said that progress may be registered during the Kazan meeting in case Azerbaijan doesn’t put forth new proposals regarding the settlement,” Minister Nalbandian said.

“The June 24 meeting was not a breakthrough, as Azerbaijan proved unready to accept the final version of the basic principles suggested by the OSCE Minsk Group Co-chairs. Instead, the Azerbaijani leader attempted to impose 10 new proposals, thus precluding the possibility of any agreement on the issue,” he added.

Anyway, as the Minister said, the meeting was important for further discussions. He also thanked Russian President Dmitry Medvedev for his personal contribution to peace and stability in the region.

“It’s not for the first time that Azerbaijan prevents a possibility to reach an agreement. Nevertheless, we will continue talks, as there is no other way to resolve the Karabakh conflict,” Edward Nalbandian said.

The June 24 meeting between the Presidents of Armenia, Azerbaijan and Russia, which was eyed as an opportunity to fix considerable progress on the way to the conflict resolution, ended in a statement saying that the heads of state “noted the reaching of mutual understanding on a number of questions, whose resolution helps create conditions to approve the basic principles."

[Suedia]

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The problem about Serge is the following:

- On the Foreign Relations Level, it is obvious that it is not him that wants to keep the Liberated territories, but Russia, because giving back these lands doesn't benefit Russia's interests in the region a bit. Armenia being it's only Ally in the region, Russia will keep these lands under Armenian Control, for the time being.

- On the Internal Problems' level, it is not in Russia's interest what is going on in Armenia (Social-Economic Crisis), as long as it's his "represantative" is in the Presidential Palace. And because most of today's leaders of Armenia have lived in the Soviet Union, they are not letting any economic freedom to the people, and unfortunantly, not making any reforms in the agriculutural sector... All this is only discouraging people to stay in Armenia. This is why I think that Serge is the most hated Armenia President today, followed by Levon.