Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[KanadaHye]

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I believe it's mostly in technical supplies such as modern communication devices and radar though I don't have a link to it.

But what's good about the article is that the Bush admin. was actively seeking to eliminate the obligation to maintain parity between us and the azerbaboons last year and actually award them with more money than us.

Well, they (azerbaboons) do have the oil....

[Federate]

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Well, they (azerbaboons) do have the oil....

Right, which makes the idea of helping them with more military money even more preposterous. If anything needs funding, it's our military, not theirs!

[KanadaHye]

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Right, which makes the idea of helping them with more military money even more preposterous. If anything needs funding, it's our military, not theirs!

As long as the oil coming out of their shores is going into the pockets of the fat cats, the fat cats will have their back.

[Pazooki]

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Fresh accusations against Russia. Let's hope these continue and they piss off the Kremlin.
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Azerbaijan says Russia arming enemy Armenia

BAKU (Reuters) - Azerbaijan accused Russia on Friday of supplying arms to Armenia, its foe in one of the most intractable conflicts arising from the Soviet Union's collapse.

Azeri Deputy Foreign Minister Araz Azimov denied his country's oil-financed military expansion meant it was planning war to take back the region of Nagorno-Karabakh from Armenians, and said there was "no miracle" in sight to resolve the dispute.

"Armenia is being supplied by its military ally, Russia," Azimov, who is responsible for security issues at the foreign ministry, said in an interview with Reuters.

He said Moscow was equipping Armenia, its closest ally in the Caucasus, under cover of restocking its military hardware at the Russian military base in the Armenian town of Gyumri.

"We know that from time to time Russia is maintaining its presence in Gyumri. When new pieces are brought in, what happens to the old ones?" he said. "Things are coming in, and nothing is coming out."

Both Moscow and Yerevan have vehemently denied that Russia is supplying a military build-up in Armenia. Russia says it moved some troops and equipment to Gyumri after they pulled out of bases in neighbouring Georgia under an arms control pact.

Some analysts suggested last year's war between Russia and Georgia, also over an unresolved ethnic and territorial dispute, might revitalise efforts to resolve Nagorno-Karabakh, but diplomats say that beyond rhetoric there is little progress.

Ethnic Armenian separatists, backed by Armenia, fought a war in the 1990s to throw off Azerbaijan's control over mountainous Nagorno-Karabakh. An estimated 30,000 people were killed.

No peace accord has ever been signed, and the ceasefire is frequently tested by fatal exchanges of fire across the frontline. Armenia backs Nagorno-Karabakh's demand for independence, something Azerbaijan says it can never have.

SHIFTING POWER

But the balance of power in the region has shifted dramatically since the end of the Soviet Union. Azerbaijan's economic and military growth, based on oil exported westwards, has rapidly outpaced that of Armenia.

The mainly Muslim country, led by President Ilham Aliyev since he succeeded his father Heydar in 2003, refuses to rule out taking back Nagorno-Karabakh by force. Azerbaijan votes in a referendum next week on whether to scrap a two-term presidential limit, allowing Aliyev to run again in 2013.

Azimov said Azerbaijan, by growing its economy, its military and its image as a stable partner for the West, was trying to convince Armenia of the need to compromise.

But he denied Baku was looking for war, saying: "It's good to have a strong army, it's even better not to use it."

"We never said and we never say that we shall go to war with Armenia," he said. But with Armenia insisting on independence for the region, "I have to say that in all circumstances and by all means we will restore territorial integrity."

Azimov said he hoped the global economic crisis would force Armenia to give up demands for independence for the region, adding: "The time has come to think realistically for them."

Armenia has been hit hard by the crisis. Turkey's decision to close its border with Armenia in 1993 in solidarity with Azerbaijan has also taken its toll and shut Armenia out of lucrative energy transit deals currently enjoyed by Georgia.

http://www.kyivpost.com/world/37368

What's with Azerbaijan whining about Russia giving us weapons? So? They're probably thinking of going to war with us but they know they have no chance if we get weapons from Russia and stuff so they crying about it.

[Federate]

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What's with Azerbaijan whining about Russia giving us weapons? So? They're probably thinking of going to war with us but they know they have no chance if we get weapons from Russia and stuff so they crying about it.

They are whining because they know that Russian arms transfers to Armenia will keep the balance in the region. They were hoping the balance shifts to their side thanks to their petrodollars going to the military.

Also, Russia is supposed to be a neutral mediator

[merhayrenik]

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Any thoughts? Propaganda or somewhat true opinion by this man? There's some really ridiculous parts but the comments against Artsakh-Armenians have been seen before, particularly by Levonakan scum.
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Armenian soldier: "I call on all Armenian soldiers to flee the country"


12 March 2009 [11:01] - Today.Az
Armenian soldier Paruyr Stepanyan who fled Armenia last year in protest of widespread violence and tyranny in the Armenian Army has gained 24 kg weight, according to ANS Press.

Armenian soldier Paruyr Stepanyan who fled his country in 2008 in protest against widespread violence and tyranny in the Armenian Army has been handed to the third country in accordance with his own will. He said in his interview with ANS TV shortly before his departure that he spent a very pleasant year in Azerbaijan stressing that he did not even feel how the days passed. “I didn’t quite feel I was an imprisoner thanks to the people dealing with me. They developed a special program for me. I was watching TV and even walking out. I was also provided with plenty of food," Armenian soldier said.

Stepanyan who was only 48-kg in weight now added up to 24 kilos. He now weighs 72 kg. He also sent a message to a newly conscripted Armenian soldiers. “I call on them to pass to the Azerbaijani territory. I already know how hospitable Azerbaijani people are. They will get here everything they want to. I’m absolutely sure of that,” Stepanyan noted.

"I call on them to flee Armenia. Because they will forcibly be taken to the army and Daqliq Qarabaq. People don’t want to fight. I lived in Armenia myself. I know what is happening in the country. People don’t think about war. All Qarabaq Armenians have gathered in Yerevan. They kill the local Armenians. Because, the leaders of the country are also Qarabaqi Armenians. People perfectly understand that they can’t live in such a country”, he said.

Stepanyan says Armenians should make a decision about their future and should throw their weapons off and return the occupied territories to their true owners. He believes Armenia might develop only after taking that step. He preferred to keep it secret to which country he was going to. “I regret I can`t answer your question. It is connected with my security. You know that there is a terrorist organization called “ASALA”. Therefore I’m concerned about my safety." Stepanyan said.

/Day.Az/

URL: http://www.today.az/news/politics/51013.html

Fed, I hope this is not true. I have seen a lot of self-hating traitor Armenians many evil people, but this one tops all of them. If this is true and the baboon-press is not engaged in their usual BS propaganda, then I hope this person dies and stops polluting the earth. It's one thing to be 'neutral' and not talk about politics and not be willing to fight for your own country but it's a totally different thing to work AGAINST your country. People who don't care about Armenia are evil no argument there but this guy actually works FOR the enemy. Therefore he is the enemy.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

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Any thoughts? Propaganda or somewhat true opinion by this man? There's some really ridiculous parts but the comments against Artsakh-Armenians have been seen before, particularly by Levonakan scum.
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Armenian soldier: "I call on all Armenian soldiers to flee the country"


12 March 2009 [11:01] - Today.Az
Armenian soldier Paruyr Stepanyan who fled Armenia last year in protest of widespread violence and tyranny in the Armenian Army has gained 24 kg weight, according to ANS Press.

Armenian soldier Paruyr Stepanyan who fled his country in 2008 in protest against widespread violence and tyranny in the Armenian Army has been handed to the third country in accordance with his own will. He said in his interview with ANS TV shortly before his departure that he spent a very pleasant year in Azerbaijan stressing that he did not even feel how the days passed. “I didn’t quite feel I was an imprisoner thanks to the people dealing with me. They developed a special program for me. I was watching TV and even walking out. I was also provided with plenty of food," Armenian soldier said.

Stepanyan who was only 48-kg in weight now added up to 24 kilos. He now weighs 72 kg. He also sent a message to a newly conscripted Armenian soldiers. “I call on them to pass to the Azerbaijani territory. I already know how hospitable Azerbaijani people are. They will get here everything they want to. I’m absolutely sure of that,” Stepanyan noted.

"I call on them to flee Armenia. Because they will forcibly be taken to the army and Daqliq Qarabaq. People don’t want to fight. I lived in Armenia myself. I know what is happening in the country. People don’t think about war. All Qarabaq Armenians have gathered in Yerevan. They kill the local Armenians. Because, the leaders of the country are also Qarabaqi Armenians. People perfectly understand that they can’t live in such a country”, he said.

Stepanyan says Armenians should make a decision about their future and should throw their weapons off and return the occupied territories to their true owners. He believes Armenia might develop only after taking that step. He preferred to keep it secret to which country he was going to. “I regret I can`t answer your question. It is connected with my security. You know that there is a terrorist organization called “ASALA”. Therefore I’m concerned about my safety." Stepanyan said.

/Day.Az/

URL: http://www.today.az/news/politics/51013.html

This sounds sooo like bullxxxx, I can actually smell it, is it just me or is this like the typical anti Armenian, Turkish nationalist crap they always throw, without being rude to them, do they really think people are stupid, is there evidence that he is even really Armenian, he could be from any of the surrounding countries pretending to be Armenian

[Eddo211]

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This sounds sooo like bullxxxx, I can actually smell it, is it just me or is this like the typical anti Armenian, Turkish nationalist crap they always throw, without being rude to them, do they really think people are stupid, is there evidence that he is even really Armenian, he could be from any of the surrounding countries pretending to be Armenian

Pedro my man, I fully agree. I will bet you anything that this guy absolutely did not write those words, not the way it is written (Government propaganda) and was probably forced to sign them. In regards to what hrai said I would not put it pass them to pull cowardly moves like that.

Sheers

[Federate]

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Anyone seen this before? I forgot where I came across this map but found it in my computer randomly. It's how far our missiles can hit. Now if only someone would be nice enough to translate in brief the Russian text all over the place, thanks in advance.

[AstalaVist]

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Հայտարարություն
Հաշվի առնելով վերջին ժամանակաշրջանում ադրբեջանական քարոզչամեքենայի կողմից հեղեղվող լայնածավալ ապատեղեկատվությունը ՀՀ ԶՈՒ զինծառայողների գերեվարման հանգամանքների և նրանց` հայրենիք վերադառնալու հնարավորությունից, իբր, հրաժարվելու առնչությամբ, ՀՀ պաշտպանության նախարարությունը հայտարարում է.
«Ըստ ձեռք բերված ստույգ տեղեկատվության` ՀՀ զինծառայողներն ադրբեջանական հատուկ ծառայությունների կողմից ենթարկվում են հատուկ հոգեբանական, բարոյական ճնշումների, ֆիզիկական կտտանքների և բռնության, ինչի հետևանքով ստիպված են հանդես գալ շինծու հայտարարություններով:

Ադրբեջանական պաշտոնական կառույցների նման մոտեցումը ռազմագերիներին, ինչպես նաև վերջիններիս` հարազատների և ծնողների հետ շփումից, նամակագրական կապից զրկելը հանդիսանում է միջազգային իրավունքի, մասնավորապես, Ժնևյան 3-րդ և 4-րդ կոնվենցիաների կոպիտ խախտում: Մինչդեռ հայկական կողմը մշտապես ապահովում է ադրբեջանցի ռազմագերիների` խոսքի, հարազատների հետ շփման, բժշկական օգնություն ստանալու և այլ իրավունքներից օգտվելու հնարավորություն:

Դրան ի հակառակ, ադրբեջանական կողմը մինչ օրս ԿԽՄԿ միջոցով չի ներկայացրել ՀՀ քաղաքացի, ռազմագերի Պարույր Սիմոնյանի վերաբերյալ որևէ հավաստի փաստաթուղթ և տեղեկատվություն: Ավելին, գերության մեջ գտնվող ՀՀ քաղաքացի Պ.Սիմոնյանին ադրբեջանական պաշտոնական կառույցների կողմից չի ընձեռվել իր իրավունքներից օգտվելու և ոչ մի հնարավորություն, ինչը վերոնշյալ կոնվենցիաների կոպիտ խախտում է:

Ադրբեջանական ռազմագերիները, ովքեր ՀՀ կողմից, միջազգային նորմերին համապատասխան, վերադարձվել են Ադրբեջան, մեր հավաստի տվյալներով, ենթարկվում են կտտանքների, ինչի վերաբերյալ փաստերն աղաղակող են. վերջիններիս հանդեպ, որպես կանոն, իրականացվում է քրեական հետապնդում` արդյունքում դատապարտելով նրանց երկարաժամկետ ազատազրկման:

ՀՀ պաշտպանության նախարարությունը ևս մեկ անգամ հավաստում է իր անվերապահ մոտեցումը միջազգային ընդունված նորմերին և միջազգային կառույցների ու հանրության, հատկապես ՄԱԿ-ի և Կարմիր Խաչի Միջազգային Կազմակերպության ուշադրությունն է հրավիրում Ադրբեջանի կողմից ռազմագերիներին որպես արտաքին և ներքին քարոզչության առարկա օգտագործելու հանգամանքին` պահանջելով վերջ տալ այդ անմարդկային և արդի ժամանակաշրջանին անհարիր պետական գործունեությանը:

Հիշեցնում ենք նաև, որ ՀՀ ԶՈւ բոլոր զինծառայողները, այդ թվում նաև ռազմագերիները, գտնվում են Հայաստանի Հանրապետության պաշտպանության ներքո, իսկ նրանց ազատությունն ապահովելու նպատակով հետագայում ևս ձեռնարկվելու են բոլոր հնարավոր միջոցները:

Պաշտպանության նախարարությունը` դատապարտելով հայ զինվորի գերեվարման ամեն մի դեպք, ենթարկել ու ենթարկելու է դրանք մանրակրկիտ ուսումնասիրման, քննության են առնվելու բոլոր հանգամանքները, արվելու են համապատասխան հետևություններ:

ՀՀ պաշտպանության նախարարությունը դիմում է Ադբեջանի հատուկ ծառայությունների խարդավանքներին և սադրանքներին զոհ դարձած ու գերեվարված հայորդիներին.

զինվորներ, լիովին հասկանում ենք, թե ինչ անմարդկային իրադրությունում եք գտնվում ներկայումս ադրբեջանական գերության մեջ: Քաջատեղյակ ենք նաև, թե ինչ ստոր քայլերի են ընդունակ ադրբեջանական հատուկ ծառայությունները:

Այո, դուք թույլ եք տվել զինվորական ծառայության կարգապահական նորմերի խախտում, ինչի արդյունքում մոլորվել և հայտնվել եք թշնամու ձեռքում: Բայց դուք Հայրենիքի զավակներն եք և վստահ եղեք, որ անգամ սխալի համար արժանավայել պատասխանատվություն կրելը հայ տղամարդուն և զինվորին բնորոշ հատկանիշ է: Ուստի, դուք կարող եք ձեր կյանքի փրկության համար թշնամու նկատմամբ իրագործել ցանկացած խորամանկություն, հնար և հարթել Հայրենիք վերադառնալու ճանապարհը: Հիշեք, որ Հայրենիքը, ինչպես նաև ձեր ծնողներն ու հարազատները միշտ սպասում են ձեր վերադարձին: Սա է հայրենյաց հողի կոչը ձեզ»:


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