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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    United Press International UPI
    Oct 7 2011


    Azeris get Israel UAVs built under license

    BAKU, Azerbaijan, Oct. 7


    Azerbaijan is expected to acquire 60 small Israeli-designed unmanned
    aerial vehicles built under license in the oil-rich former Soviet
    republic that's moving closer to the xxxish state as the Baku
    government modernizes its military.

    The burgeoning military and intelligence alliance between the
    countries is causing growing concern in Iran, Azerbaijan's southern
    neighbor, and in nearby longtime rival Armenia.

    The Israeli Aerostar and Orbiter 2M UAVs are being manufactured by
    Baku's Azad Systems Co., a joint venture between Azerbaijan's Defense
    Ministry and Aeronautics Defense Systems of Israel.

    That's the country's third largest UAV manufacturer after Israel
    Aerospace Industries and Elbit Systems.

    Around 70 percent of the components are produced in Israel, the rest
    in Azerbaijan.

    Sixty of the drones are to be delivered to Azerbaijan's armed forces
    by the end of the year, primarily for intelligence, surveillance and
    reconnaissance missions.

    Azerbaijan's military already operates Elbit Systems' Hermes 450 and
    IAI's Searcher reconnaissance drones, as well as some of Aeronautics
    Defense Systems' Aerostar and Orbiter craft.

    Azerbaijan Minister of Defense Industry Yavar Jamalov told the
    Azerbaijan Press Agency that Baku is considering the production of
    missile-armed UAVs within the next two years, a development guaranteed
    to deepen Iranian and Armenian concerns.

    The UAV deal with Azerbaijan allows Israeli manufacturers to pick up
    some of the slack that appeared when Israel's strategic military
    alliance with Turkey collapsed in 2010.

    APA reported that Aeronautics Defense Systems beat out several Turkish
    defense firms, including TAI, Baykar Makina and Global Teknik, for the
    UAV venture set up in March.

    Azerbaijan, which lies in the energy-rich Caspian Basin, has oil
    reserves of more than 1.2 billion barrels as well as 4.4 trillion
    cubic feet of natural gas. It is one of Israel's largest suppliers of
    crude oil.

    Last Sunday, Israel's air force marked the 40th anniversary of the
    formation of its first UAV unit, Squadron 200 at the Palmachim Air
    Base on the Mediterranean coast south of Tel Aviv from where IAI
    satellites are launched.

    The squadron was equipped with a drone named the Scout, built by what
    was then Israel Aircraft Industries, and became operational in October
    1981. The Scout made its combat debut in the June 1982 Israeli
    invasion of Lebanon.

    That campaign evolved into a counter-terrorism conflict that has
    dragged on to this day, even after Israeli withdrew from its last
    foothold in south Lebanon in May 2000.

    In the years since the Scout took to the skies, but particularly after
    9/11, Israel has become one of the world's leading UAV manufacturers,
    second only to the United States.

    The Israeli Defense Ministry's defense export and defense cooperation
    arm, known as SIBAT, says Israel's export of counter-terrorism
    systems, including UAVs, has risen from $2 billion a year 10 years ago
    to nearly $7 billion.

    Defense experts expect the export of counter-terrorism systems to increase.

    "The threats aren't getting any smaller," SIBAT Deputy Director Itamar
    Graff told Bamahane, the armed forces' magazine.

    "We constantly cope with terrorist threats ŠThe world's moving in
    the direction of dealing with terrorist threats.

    "On issues such as home front protection, shore security and missile
    defense, people from around the world come to learn from us," Graff
    said.

    "We're dealing with a variety of possible threats and we'll continue
    to be a dominant and significant factor in the world."

    The Scout was retired in 2004. It was replaced by, among others, IAI's
    Searcher, which carried advanced navigation, communication and sensor
    systems and is in service with 10 countries.

    IAI has since developed the long-endurance, 1-ton Heron that can
    operate at altitudes of 30,000 feet and can loiter over targets for 24
    hours.

    The Heron Turbo Prop, known as the Eitan, introduced into military
    service with Squadron 210 in February 2010, is the air force's largest
    and most sophisticated unmanned aerial system.

    Its takeoff weight is 5 tons and can carry payloads of 2,200 pounds.
    It has a wingspan of 84 feet, about the same as a Boeing 737. It can
    stay airborne for 24 hours and has a range of around 650 miles.

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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
      United Press International UPI
      Oct 7 2011


      Azeris get Israel UAVs built under license

      BAKU, Azerbaijan, Oct. 7


      .....
      Its takeoff weight is 5 tons and can carry payloads of 2,200 pounds.
      It has a wingspan of 84 feet, about the same as a Boeing 737. It can
      stay airborne for 24 hours and has a range of around 650 miles
      .
      Something not quite right with these specs.

      These figures would suggest to me (cruising?) an average speed of 27 mph.
      Am I missing something?
      Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
      Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
      Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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        I think range is not only determined by speed and flying time, but also distance from command center, or command transmitter.
        Plus if it has a 650 miles range, and if range is distance to be reached as far away, and return, just like bombers, than you have 1300/24, that is 55 per hour, wich is quite reasonable as speed, for an observation post.
        But yet again, I am not the expert.
        Let's wait Eddo.

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Some interesting definitions in the meantime.



          The maximal total range is the distance an aircraft can fly between takeoff and landing, as limited by fuel capacity in powered aircraft,
          or cross-country speed and environmental conditions in unpowered aircraft.

          Also,
          Ferry range ....
          Combat range...
          Combat radius ...
          Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
          Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
          Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Հոկտեմբեր 10, 2011 | 14:58

            NEWS.am-ի խիստ հավաստի աղբյուրների փոխանցմամբ, բանակում գրանցվել է հերթական սպանությունը:

            Մեզ հասած տեղեկություններով, Մարտակերտի զորամասերից մեկում հոկտեմբերի 9-ի առավոտյան գտել են 1992 թ. ծնված Վլադիմիր Ասատրյանի դին: Մեր աղբյուրների փոխանցմամբ, վերջինս Արարատի մարզի Խարբերդ գյուղից է:

            Այսօր ավելի վաղ NEWS.am-ը հայտնել է, որ ԼՂՀ Պաշտպանության բանակի «Եղնիկներ» զորամասում զինծառայողների միջեւ ոչ կանոնադրական հարաբերությունների արդյունքում միջադեպ է գրանցվել: Դեպքի մանրամասները դեռեւս անորոշ են:

            ՊՆ Քննչական բաժնի հասարակայնության հետ կապերի ավագ սպա Մերի Սարգսյանը NEWS.am-ի թղթակցի հետ զրույցում հայտնել էր, որ ՊՆ քննչական ծառայության 3-րդ կայազորային քննչական բաժնում քրեական գործ է հարուցվել Քրեական օրենսգրքի 359 հոդվածի առաջին մասով (Զինծառայողների փոխհարաբարերությունների կանոնագրքային կանոնները խախտելը, նրանց միջեւ ստորադասության հարաբերությունների բացակայությամբ դեպքում, որն արտահայտվել է անձի պատիվն ու արժանապատվությունը ստորացնելով, նրանց ծաղրի ենթարկելով կամ հալածելով կամ զուգորդվել է բռնություններով): Կատարվում է նախաքննություն:

            Առայժմ, այս գործով ձերբակալվածներ չկան:

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Ensign of Azerbaijani Army seriously wounded in ceasefire violation by Armenians

              [ 10 Oct 2011 18:40 ]
              Baku. Hafiz Heydarov – APA. Armenian wounded the serviceman of the Azerbaijani Army.

              According to APA, the incident took place in the frontline towards Aghdam region of Azerbaijan.

              Ensign of the Azerbaijani Army Alim Veli Majidov, 22, was seriously wounded as a result of violation of ceasefire by the Armenians. He was hospitalized.
              apa.az

              One Azerbaijani citizen wounded as a result ceasefire violation by Armenians

              [ 10 Oct 2011 11:51 ]
              Terter. Teymur Zahidoglu – APA. One Azerbaijani citizen was wounded as a result of ceasefire violation by Armenian armed forces in direction of Gapanli village of Terter.

              APA’s Karabakh bureau reports that the fire opened by Armenians hit the arm Gapanli village’s resident Dashgin Aliyev. His state is report satisfactory.

              The houses were damaged as a result of ceasefire violation.
              apa.az

              Armenian armed forces start large-scale military exercises in occupied Azerbaijani territories

              [ 10 Oct 2011 11:36 ]
              Aghdam. Teymur Zahidoglu – APA. The Armenian armed forces started large-scale military trainings in occupied Shahbulag mountain and territory called Uzundere of Aghdam region of Azerbaijan.

              APA’s Karabakh bureau reports that the heavy artillery is used in the trainings which has started in the morning today. The explosion sounds are heard in Aghdam and surrounding villages.
              apa.az
              Last edited by burjuin; 10-10-2011, 09:03 AM.

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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Armenia shows new UAV
                Page num.22

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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
                    I think range is not only determined by speed and flying time, but also distance from command center, or command transmitter.
                    This is correct.....a UAV's range is more limited by ita transmitter than say its ability to cover distance if it had a pilot. An aircraft with a 24hrs endurance should be able to have a longer range than 650 Nautical miles. An aircraft range is determined under certain conditions (Max take off weight, full fuel (no Aux), standards day ([email protected] inhg), and no wind) flying at the best range airspeed given by manufacturer. Actual range of an aircraft will vary greatly on atmospheric conditions including what altitude you fly at, climb and descent fuel burn, and actual ground speed. The biggest factor is wind. Also a range is not a radius but a distance an aircraft can fly on available fuel (not counting fuel reserves for alternate airport, bad weather, etc).

                    Endurance is how long can an aircraft remain in the air at gross weight and the determining factor there is fuel burn and how much fuel is onboard (including Aux). normally endurance flights the airspeed is very low (Lift to drag best ratio) and distance covered means nothing since you really are not getting anywhere. Also wind/temprature/pressure/humidity don't matter in calculation. Aircraft power setting is at minimum cruise fuel flow to get the most amount of time out of the engine. The PT6 engine is very efficent and with enough fuel can have an endurance of 24 hrs no problem.

                    Plus if it has a 650 miles range, and if range is distance to be reached as far away, and return, just like bombers, than you have 1300/24, that is 55 per hour, wich is quite reasonable as speed, for an observation post.
                    But yet again, I am not the expert.
                    Let's wait Eddo.
                    Like I said range is a one way flight. A radius (say combat radius) is the distance flown to target, engage it for certain determines time, and return to original departure point plus your reserve fuel.

                    Your airspeed calculation are not correct because wind/temp/pressure/altitude would effect it. If your IAS (indicated airspeed in the xxxxpit) in 140 Knots flying at 14000ft with temp of 16 degrees and a head winds of 40 knots you will not get 140 miles in one hour on the ground since your ground speed is different than your Indicated airspeed and also different than your true airspeed. It can get complicated so I won't get into it unless someone wants to know the details. Just remember as a simple example that if your are flying at a true airspeed of 100 knots and you experience 100 knots head wind your ground speed is Zero, so you are going nowhere fast.

                    That UAV should easily have a airspeed of above 130 Knots and can probably fly as low as 80 knots for best endurance with a landing/stall speed of 45 to 65 knots.
                    B0zkurt Hunter

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