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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
Why don't they just ask the surviving soldier what happened? That's him in the picture btw.
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Tavush Trouble: Questions linger after carnage of Armenian soldiers near border with Azerbaijan
Last week’s news of three Armenian servicemen murdered in an apparent ambush attack near the border with Azerbaijan continues to draw reactions and cause speculations both in the media and among common citizens.
Late last week, the Armenian Defense Ministry reported that three soldiers were killed on the road between the villages of Movses and Aygepar in Armenia’s northeastern Tavush province as the car on which they were traveling in the small hours of April 27 came under what appeared to be an Azeri shelling. It was later reported that one serviceman survived the attack almost unscathed. No other circumstances of the incident were reported.
The three men who died were later identified as 27-year-old David Abgaryan, 25-year-old Aram Yesayan and 21-year-old Arshak Nersisyan. All were natives of the nearby town of Berd and had served in the Armenian armed forces under contracts. The survivor, 27-year-old Arkady Yesayan, is also from Berd and is also a contract serviceman.
Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) representatives conducted a ceasefire monitoring of the Armenian-Azerbaijan border in the troubled section on Monday, reporting no incidents during their short mission. Accompanied by the Armenian military, the field aides to the OSCE chairman-in-office also visited the site of the Friday deadly attack, while at the Berd military police precinct they were allowed to have a detailed examination and take pictures and video of the vehicle that came under fire.
The OSCE officials were also told that Azeri drones were seen in the sky during the days leading to the attack on the ground.
An Armenian investigation is still on in connection with that incident and no official version of the events has yet been announced.
However, different speculations were made in the immediate aftermath of the incident and later on. Some media spread information according to which the bodies had been mutilated. This would be direct evidence of an infiltration by a group of Azeri commandos into the Armenian-controlled territory. According to some unverified media reports, the Armenian soldiers were AWOL and did not possess weapons when confronted by Azeri commandos, becoming easy prey.
Meanwhile, some initial speculation also included a possible internal argument resulting in a shootout. Within hours after the news was reported, Helsinki Citizens Assembly Vanadzor Office Director Artur Sakunts postedd a comment in a Facebook discussion group claiming to having received information “from several sources” that “the contract servicemen were killed as a result of a dispute among themselves in which firearms were used.”
“There is also information that there were more people involved in it… It is not yet clear what the reason for the argument was…. Unfortunately, we again have to deal with deaths in the ranks caused by the violation of the rules of discipline,” said the human rights activist.
Sakunts himself, however, denied this version the following day after visiting the scene. He described it as “surely a sabotage activity” after what he witnessed there.
One resident in Berd also doubted it could have been the result of a firefight among the fellow soldiers as he talked to ArmeniaNow at the weekend.
“Many people say that these guys had a fight and killed each other, but I can say with certitude that there was no such thing. They grew up before our eyes, all were from this area, were very close to each other. Only Azeris could do that,” he said.
During the soldiers’ funeral, attended by hundreds of people near Berd’s house of culture, Chairman of the Council of War Veterans of Armenia Simon Yesayan called the deadly incident “a result of the base policies and bloody activities of Azerbaijan” – a country that, he said, still cannot put up with the defeat that it suffered in the Karabakh war in 1994.
“I am sure that they had another goal – to capture a village or a military base, but an encounter with these guys upset their heinous plans,” said Yesayan.
The attack followed days of intensified ceasefire violations near the border in Tavush. In one such violation last Wednesday Azeri snipers fired shots at a kindergarten in the Armenian border village of Dovegh, necessitating a prompt evacuation of the children and personnel.
ArmeniaNow also visited the only survivor of the attack, Arkady Yesayan. The soldier who is still recovering from shock has no serious health problems otherwise.
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Border Burden: “If Armenians fire back every time Azeris shoot, the war will resume”
The Tavush province village of Nerkin Karmraghbyur, Aygepar, Movses and Chinari have grown accustom to living under fire during the 18 years of the “cease fire” that makes an uneasy life on the border of Azerbaijan. Last week was exceptional, however, a lot of “fire” but not enough “cease”.
“Well, the enemy always fires, but over the past two months there has been more of it, and every night from April 25 through April 30 they kept firing terribly much at the village,” says Radik Israyelyan, 41, resident of Karmraghbyur, adding that during the night of April 29 to April 30 the shooting went on for five consecutive hours. “They started shooting at around 11 p.m. and didn’t stop until around 3 a.m. It hadn’t been this way ever since the ceasefire, they had never shot at the village for that long and that much. They mainly shoot from DShK (heavy machine gun) a rifle that is why most of the roofs in the village are perforated.”
Nerkin Karmraghbyur is around 200 km from Yerevan, and is only 800 meters away from the Armenian-Azeri border, facing it directly. The 9- km segment of the 352 km border separating Azerbaijan and Tavush province passes right through the village which makes it a permanent target for the enemy.
The villagers disagree with the speculations largely circulated in the capital that the recent intense shooting from the Azeri side has to do with Sunday’s parliamentary elections.
“They [Azeris] have always been like this, it’s not news, nothing matters to them, be it elections or … they’ll calm down soon,” says Israyelyan.
Valodya Petrosyan’s house in the central part of the village has suffered from the shelling. Luckily nobody was hurt, however Petrosyan may have some problems explaining the hole in his passport when he goes to vote May 6.
“Well when we saw that the shooting wouldn’t stop, we turned off the lights and went to bed. We heard a bumping noise, but ignored it. In the morning we saw dirt on the table by the wall and then discovered that the wall had a hole in it,” tells Petrosyan, 59, still surprised showing the hole trough which the bullet went and pierced his suit hanging from the wall, destroying the man’s passport, social card, bank account card, and some other documents and cash that were in the pocket.
“I don’t know how long it’ll take them to issue me a new one, the elections are in three days, I won’t be able to vote, all my documents are ruined,” says Petrosyan with a chuckle.
Although the villagers have been disturbed by recent shootings and are feeling uneasy, they assure they are not panicked and that nobody’s going to leave the village, which has a population of about 1,200.
More than being concerned over the repeated enemy fire, people here get angry when they hear that many “who stay in the capital and are unaware of many things” demand that the Armenian side takes retaliation measures.
“Those safeguarding this border are all the kids of this village, all of them have seen war, and no one wants it to repeat, that’s the reason they’re not rushing to retaliate, they don’t need orders from Yerevan, when necessary, they give an adequate response,” says one of the village’s elderly residents Kolya Galstyan, 79. “If we fire back every time they shoot, the war will resume, and none of us wants war.”
Meanwhile, Azeri mass media reports that on Tuesday night the Armenian armed forces kept the Azeri village of Alibeily under constant fire. The information has not been confirmed by Armenian sources.
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Կրկին կրակոցներ Տավուշում
Քիչ առաջ ադրբեջանական կողմը դարձյալ կրակել է Տավուշի մարզի Բերքաբեր գյուղի ուղղությամբ: Այս մասին Lragir.am-ի թղթակիցն տեղեկացրեց Բերքաբերի գյուղապետ Սուրեն Խուդավերյանը:
Գյուղապետի տեղեկացմամբ, գյուղին վերին թաղամասի վրա քիչ առաջ կրակահերթ է բացվել: Գյուղացիները թեպետ վախենում են, սակայն այս ժամերին դաշտերում հողագործական և անասնապահական աշխատանքներով են զբաղվում: Բարեբախտաբար կրակոցներից ոչ ոք չի տուժել:
Հիշեցնենք, որ վերջին օրերին ադրբեջանական կողմը ակտիվացրել է կրակոցները Տավուշի մարզի սահմանամերձ մի շարք գյուղերի ուղղությամբ:Comment
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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
AT 1:00 , when the T 72 fires, there is something metallic that flyes...Originally posted by burjuin View Post
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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
Are you talking about the streak before it hits the target or the other thing that goes flying off?
The streak is the high volocity round going towards the target. The streak that you see going stright up in my opinion is either a portion of the round that bounced off target and flew into the air or a protion of the target that went up after the hit. If I had to bet I would say it was the portion of the round that bounced off the target.Comment
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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
Let us have some funds! We should start two funds! One fund is the pumpoosht fund, the other is the village fund.
The pumpoosht fund is there for Armenia to buy bullets. The Village fund is there for the villagers.
Here is how these two funds work. The pumpoosht fund is there for Ammo, bullets, helmets, jackets and/ or RPG's
This way when a babboon comes across the border he gets his idiot toork arse blown off!
The Village fund is there for the people in the Village. Verj, Arto and Vahram and Sako give combined 1000 dollars. The village has 20 people, each villager gets 50 Dollars.
So what do we have after all the hedge funds fail? We get 32 babboons dead becuase an Armenian guy hit the patrol with an RPG, and each villager gets to drink Vodka becuase they have 50 dollars to spend
Please let me know what you think of this idea, I would like Armenia fund to have these two options so we can put our money into things that matter!
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Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan
I wonder, would any other country stand for this? any other country would have declared this as a declaration of war. in what world is this acceptable?Originally posted by Vrej1915 View Post
I'm dissapointed by Armenia's response.
She lives there, not us, so we can't really judge. But does she really think the bullets will stop of themselves?Originally posted by Federate View Post
Armenia has enough money for bullets, there's no shortage of bullets. Just the will to fire them. The village fund is not bad idea, if you contact armenia fund, and they accept to organise something for them, then sure, most of us here will contribute eve if some dont trust Armenia FundOriginally posted by Vahram View Post. But 1000$ wont do it, something like 10 000k can make a real difference in their lifes.
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