Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Federate]

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Thanks Mukuch, you're right, I just checked the Artsakh map. Based on the information I have compiled below over the last year, Armenian land gains have occurred 'thousands of hectares' to the east from Mardakert, 11 km north of Nor Shahumyan and 4 km east of southern Hadrut (Fizuli) adjacent to the Iranian border/Arax river. You can check out the map below to spot these locations (in arrows).

Last August, user Armenian posted information (based on word of mouth) that we had managed to capture more territories from the "Azeris" and killed a bunch of them in the process. Four months later in December, I posted a link from an interview with Artsakh's defense minister General Movses Hakobian that hinted that this was true. This exchange can be found in this post.

Well, five months later, General Movses is back and he's got brand new good news for us If you're reading this Armenian, a toast to you comrade.
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NKR Forces Along Arax River Advance 4 Kilometers in 2009

Another important detail is in the last two paragraphs, where for at least the third or fourth time, we acknowledge that we made land gains last year. This article talks about some 11 km of land gain in the north (Omar pass). Does anyone know exactly where the Omar mountain chain is?

In June of last year, Armenian troop detachments in the northern sector, along the Omar mountain chain, pushed some eleven kilometers forward towards the enemy who gave up several positions. As a result, our military footholds that were located at elevations of 2,000 meters were quickly transferred to superior sites at elevations of 3,400-3,600 meters.

During a briefing with reporters, NKR Minister of Defense Lieutenant-General Movses Hakobyan stated, “The objective of this operation was to prove to the enemy that what they tried back on March 3-4, 2008, will never work. We, on the other hand, can accomplish the same if the need arises.”

http://hetq.am/en/karabakh/sahman-3/

[crusader1492]

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Next time you're in your car, drive 11 kilometers (6.8 miles). It will give you an idea of the largeness of the operation and how much land was liberated.

[KarotheGreat]

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Message to the Azeris lol

Aggression against Armenia spells aggression against CSTO
06.08.2009 16:19 GMT+04:00 Print version Send to mail

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ “August 2008 events proved use of force brings to no results in resolution of any issue,” CSTO Secretary General Nikolai Bordyuzha said at Moscow-Yerevan video-bridge, commenting on Azerbaijan’s statements on possible military resolution to NKR conflict.

“Active meetings between RA and Azeri Presidents and Foreign Ministers prove parties want to achieve peaceful conflict settlement,” Nikolai Bordyuzha noted, adding that resolution of such a serious issue will take a certain time.

CSTO supports peaceful settlement of NKR conflict, Bordyuzha said, emphasizing that aggression against one of CSTO member stats spells aggression against CSTO as a whole.

[Mukuch]

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The Azeris lost over 4,000 men near the Omar Mt. Pass alone. They were forced into a valley, surrounded by Armenian soldiers and then decimated.

That is correct.
It is easy to put it in 2 lines... but lets do not forget what the cost of it was. It was very different battle. The defenders of Omar in 93 were not volunteer fidais - mature men with combat experience, but rather 18-19 years old kids, recruits. They did their job. But price was real high even if conceder we lost 1 against 10 azeris.

[Eddo211]

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that is correct.
It is easy to put it in 2 lines... But lets do not forget what the cost of it was. It was very different battle. The defenders of omar in 93 were not volunteer fidais - mature men with combat experience, but rather 18-19 years old kids, recruits. They did their job. But price was real high even if conceder we lost 1 against 10 azeris.

+ rest in peace +

[ZORAVAR]

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Is the APC-70 the same as the BTR-70?
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Azerbaijan purchased 32 APC-70 from Ukraine

04.08.2009 10:49 GMT+04:00

/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Ukraine sold 34 tanks (33 to Kenya and 1 to Georgia) in 2008, Kyiv said in a report issued for the United Nations Register of Conventional Arms.

Georgia purchased 15 infantry fighting vehicles and 25 armored personnel carriers. U.S. bought 1 IFV-3. Azerbaijan bought 32 APC-70.

Ukraine made some $800 million by exporting arms last year, replenishing the national budget with 1.185 billion hryvnas, telegraf.by reported.

http://panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=35074

Yes, it is the BTR-70. They are inexpensive 8x8 armoured personel carriers armed with one 14.5 mm gun. The better BTR-80 has replaced it on the asssembly lines 25 years ago.
The Armenian army uses the BTR-70 as well. It's 2 engine design provides redundancy, but makes it more complicated and finicky. Our engineers have modified the engine compartment and made some changes that I don't know about. They have also replaced the original 14.5 mm gun with a more powerfull 23mm.

As for the 15 that Georgia received, they were deeply modernized BMP-1 vehicles with complete new weaponry etc. They were all captured by the Russians.

As for the US, they bought the single BMP-3 from Ukraine for evaluation purposes.

[Karabed]

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Armenia would be in a state of war should Georgia’s plan not fail in 2008
/PanARMENIAN.Net/ Last year’s August events in Georgia showed the true position of interested parties, politologist Sergey Shakaryants told a news conference in Yerevan. According to him, Georgian-Russian conflict played a crucial role for Armenia. “I thought that NKR conflict settlement will serve a sa precedent to other unacknowledged states of Transcaucasia, but the opposite happened,” Armenian politologist said, stressing that even unacknowledged states like Abkhazia and South Ossetia were acknowledged, still, NKR was not.

According to Sergey Shakaryants, Azerbaijan was preparing a war against Armenia along with Georgia, yet Russia’s actions frustrated it plans. “Armenia would be in a state of war should Georgia’s plan not fail in 2008,” he said, adding that last year Azerbaijan thrice attempted attacks on NKR, yet the attempts were frustrated thanks to NKR forces.

On August 8, during the night and early morning, Georgia launched a military offensive to surround and capture the capital of separatist Republic of South Ossetia, Tskhinvali thus breaking the terms of the 1992 ceasefire and crossing into the security zone established therein.

The heavy shelling, which included Georgian rockets being fired into South Ossetia left parts of the capital city in ruins, causing a humanitarian crisis.

Russia sent troops across the Georgian border, into South Ossetia. In five days of fighting, the Russian forces captured the regional capital Tskhinvali, pushed back Georgian troops, and largely destroyed Georgia’s military infrastructure using airstrikes deep inside the smaller country's territory.

On August 12, Russian President Medvedev said that he had ordered an end to military operations in Georgia. Later on the same day, Russian president Medvedev approved a six-point peace plan brokered by President-in-Office of the European Union, Nicolas Sarkozy, in Moscow; both sides were to sign it by the 17th.

On August 27, President Medvedev of the Russian Federation signed two Presidential decrees recognizing the Republic of Abkhazia and the Republic of South Ossetia as sovereign independent states to authorize the drafting of treaties of friendship, cooperation and mutual assistance with the new states.

http://panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=35172

[Joseph]

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This is good news; tantamount to when Russia threatened WWIII if Turkey were to invade Armenia in 1993 as they had planned to.

http://www.rferl.org/content/RussianLed_Military_Alliance_Committed_To_Armenia_Defense/1795494.html

CSTO Says Group 'Committed' To Armenia Defense


CSTO Secretary-General Nikolai Bordyuzha
August 08, 2009
YEREVAN -- The Collective Security Treaty Organization's (CSTO) secretary-general has said that in the event of an Azerbaijani attack against Armenian forces over the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, Yerevan could count on CSTO military support, RFE/RL's Armenian Service reports.

Nikolai Bordyuzha said during a videoconference with journalists on August 7 that "aggression against one of the organization's member states is aggression against all member states."

Bordyuzha said he was quoting from the CSTO treaty's Article 4.

Tevan Poghosian, the chairman of the pro-NATO Armenian Atlantic Association, told RFE/RL that the article "has never been tested in practice" and "I wouldn't put much trust into it."

Bordyuzha also praised the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe's Minsk Group's recent resolution efforts on Nagorno-Karabakh and said everything "testifies" to a "peaceful resolution of the conflict."

Armenian forces took over the Karabakh region in Azerbaijan after a six-year war that ended in 1994.

The CSTO is made up of Russia and six other former Soviet republics -- Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Uzbekistan -- and was established in 2002.

[Icy]

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New Articles On The Artsakh Defense Army:

NKR Frontline Commander – President Sargsyan Should Negotiate from a Position of Strength:

http://hetq.am/en/society/nkr-19/

NKR Defense Minister – “Wherever there is an Armenian soldier standing; that’s my homeland”:

http://hetq.am/en/politics/nkr-18/

[KarotheGreat]

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New Articles On The Artsakh Defense Army:

NKR Frontline Commander – President Sargsyan Should Negotiate from a Position of Strength:

http://hetq.am/en/society/nkr-19/

NKR Defense Minister – “Wherever there is an Armenian soldier standing; that’s my homeland”:

http://hetq.am/en/politics/nkr-18/

Very good articles, I really want to get up and go serve in Artsakh. I think I'll do that when I'm done with college.