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Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    @Vrej1915 , thanks for the welcome!
    Good points there and I mostly agree. When estimating any unfolding scenario, one must guard against oversimplifications, because this is a very complex region - a point of intersection of multiple lines of interests of multiple global players.
    I never said that the resulting oil price rise is going to be the main reason for external pressure, but there will be pressure (on both sides) to end military engagements as soon as possible. Just like Sarkosy championed the cease fire, so will the western powers once again try to freeze this conflict if they see that Azerbaijan is not making much progress in advancing its military objectives. That is why Azerbaijan is purchasing the kinds of weaponry to try to fight a very swift war.

    Another point to note is that Azerbaijan's current government's objectives might not be a complete conquest in this war. It may opt to regain control of certain territories (Fizuli, Qubatli, Zangelan) so as to boost the morale of its army, regain better points for rocket artillery, restore the credibility with the general population, threaten Megri and unification with Nakhichevan, and hope to finish the job in another war. (Just remember the morale boost that Azeri army had when they recaptured Horadiz.) In my opinion that is why Aliyev sat at that negotiating table - trying to regain these strategically and geopolitically significant territories "through peaceful means" so as to fight an easier war afterwards, and that didn't work.

    @Eddo211 , thanks for the welcome too!
    Yes, aviation is of course important in modern warfare, but Armenia currently has neither the capability to build its own, nor the resources to purchase a serious fleet externally. Most it can hope for at this stage is a Georgia-Russia-2008 kind of scenario: after Russian forces lost quite a few jets to Georgian (relatively mediocre) air defense installations during the first 2 days, the rest of the engagement was kept on the ground with tactical strikes being handled (with varying degrees of success) by Tochka-U and Iskander missiles.

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      Well there seem to be some rumours going around that the price of crude oil will be falling to 100 or even below.

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
        Well there seem to be some rumours going around that the price of crude oil will be falling to 100 or even below.
        Probably because of successful (and by successful I mean not disastrous) multilateral talks with Iran in Baghdad.

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by davidoga View Post
          Probably because of successful (and by successful I mean not disastrous) multilateral talks with Iran in Baghdad.
          I think it has more to do with the US pumping more oil in the market and also the fact that there are speculations going on that Saudi-Arabia is planning to do the same. It seems that history is repeating itself. I hope this time the Iranian economy can keep itself together and will not collapse like it happened in the 70's.

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Last edited by Hovo; 05-30-2012, 01:53 PM.

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Does Armenia have any military programs for Diasporans? Something like the Israeli Garin Tzabar program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garin_Tzabar or the Sar El http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sar-El

              I mean, if say some Armenian diasporan young men and women want to volunteer for Armenian Army training for a summer or for 6 months or a year, does out Republic provide any such program?

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                Originally posted by matrixfighter View Post
                Does Armenia have any military programs for Diasporans? Something like the Israeli Garin Tzabar program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garin_Tzabar or the Sar El http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sar-El

                I mean, if say some Armenian diasporan young men and women want to volunteer for Armenian Army training for a summer or for 6 months or a year, does out Republic provide any such program?
                Not sure if Armenia has such a program. My plan is to apply for Armenian citizenship after college (so as to have dual American-Armenian citizenship), travel to Armenia, and then be conscripted. To my knowledge this should work.

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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by davidoga View Post
                  Not sure if Armenia has such a program. My plan is to apply for Armenian citizenship after college (so as to have dual American-Armenian citizenship), travel to Armenia, and then be conscripted. To my knowledge this should work.
                  what if you are over 27?

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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Originally posted by arakeretzig View Post
                    what if you are over 27?
                    I believe there is a different process, but it is still possible. Give the Armenian embassy a call, they should explain it to you.

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Originally posted by matrixfighter View Post
                      @Eddo211 , thanks for the welcome too!
                      Yes, aviation is of course important in modern warfare, but Armenia currently has neither the capability to build its own, nor the resources to purchase a serious fleet externally.
                      Armenia has more capabilities than you may know, our own designed and operational UAVs are a good sign of that. As far as a serious fleet we don't need that.....what we need is a few squadrons (4 to 6 planes in each, nobody is asking for Mig-29s, just more SU-25s with some upgrades geared up towards its mission over Azerbaijan). Also since when do we pay full price for weapons of war from Russia? The only reason we don't have it is because Russia doesn't want us to have it because she knows we will destroy Baku.

                      Most it can hope for at this stage is a Georgia-Russia-2008 kind of scenario:
                      You kidding right? those two scenarios are not the same and if you are considering Georgian success as a would be Armenian success then also consider this...
                      Russian aircraft bombed the Georgian cities of Kareli, Gori, Vaziani, near Tbilisi and the military airfield in Marneuli, also near Tbilisi, this is aug 8th. On the 9th black sea port of Poti. By next day they were dominating Georgian airspace and bombing the capital city of Tiblisi.....Gori was bombed every day (where Stalin was born). Russian aircraft also destroyed the SU-25 manufacturing facility in Georgia. Precision air strikes continued throughout the war.
                      Airpower alone cannot win wars......but it clears the road ahead for the ground forces to do their job with better success and less resistance. Also the SU-25s are close ground support aircraft who cover the soldiers on the ground (knife fighting face to face, called in the flying circle).

                      after Russian forces lost quite a few jets to Georgian (relatively mediocre) air defense installations during the first 2 days, the rest of the engagement was kept on the ground with tactical strikes being handled (with varying degrees of success) by Tochka-U and Iskander missiles.
                      Russia had 4 confirmed loss of aircraft (Georgian claim of 10 is bulldust).....Georgians had SA-11 Gadfly, those are no joke air defense systems. They also had more Soviet era shorter range missiles can't remember the name.
                      B0zkurt Hunter

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