Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Eddo211]

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There are too many posters going way off topic in discussions that are well covered in other threads in this forum.....stay on topic and professional, this is a military thread.

[burjuin]

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Armenian Army

[Federate]

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Eddo is right. Guys, I know it's hard to remain completely on topic since most topics are often interrelated or lead to one another, but try not to have lengthy discussions on off-topic material in a thread that is intended for other discussions. This one is strictly about military and lengthy discussions about the oligarchies in Armenia for example should be moved to other threads. I moved most of the interesting exchange between Armanen and Davidoga to the "Current Condition of Armenia" thread if people are interested in continuing that discussion: http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread....Armenia/page35

Also a general reminder to everyone: there is no need to get personal. We can all make perfectly solid arguments without calling others names and turning a discussion into a flame war. We're hot-headed Armenians but we all want the best for our nation.

Another reminder: please do not post 23897292982 posts in a row when you can simply press the "edit" button in your previous post and add your stuff there, especially if what you're adding is banter.

Thanks guys and keep up the great posts. Especially interesting posts on air-defence and air force by our local military analysts

[Federate]

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Օկուպացված Շահումյանում ադրբեջանցի զինվորականների և բնակչության միջև բախումներ են եղել

Posted on Հունիս 14, 2012 by Մելինե Մ. | Մեկնաբանել

Ադբեջանական մի քանի լրատվամիջոցներ տեղեկացնում են, որ օկուպացված Շահումյանի շրջանում ադրբեջանցի զինվորականների և բնակչության միջև տեղի են ունեցել զանգվածային ընդհարումներ։

Հաղորդվում է, որ զինվորականները, պահանջում են բնակիչներից ընտանի կենդանիներն արոտավայր տանելու թույլտվության համար վճարել։ Մասնավորապես տեղի զորամասի հրամանատար Գիյաս Աբասովը պահանջել է, որ իրեն յուրաքանչյուր հինգ կենդանու համար անձամբ վճարեն։ Դա վրդովվեցրել է գյուղացիներին, ովքեր հրաժարվել են վճարել, ինչից հետո մոտ 70-80 զինվորական Գյուլիստանի մոտ հարձակվել են գյուղացիների վրա, որի հետևանքով բազմաթիվ գյուղացիներ են տուժել և վիրավորվել։

Գյուղացիներն արդեն բողոքել են գրել Ադրբեջանի նախագահին և պաշտպանության նախարարին։ Մեկնաբանելով տեղեկությունները, Ադրբեջանի պաշտպանության նախարարության ներկայացուցիչ Թեյմուր Աբդուլաևը հերքել է գումար շորթելու մասին տեղեկությունները և հայտնել, թե կոնֆլիկտի պատճառն այն է, որ գյուղացիները ցանկացել են զորամասին պատկանող տարածքում ֆերմա կառուցել։

http://razm.info/5968

[Vrej1915]

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SHAHUMYAN-GETASHEN COMPATRIOTIC UNION DEMANDS TO INCLUDE THE ISSUE OF NORTHERN ARTSAKH IN THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS
Alisa Gevorgyan

"Radiolur"
13.06.2012 17:34

June 13, 1992 was a tragic day for the population of Shahumyan and
Getashen. Twenty-one years ago the Azerbaijani militants exiled the
whole population of Getashen. The same happened to the residents
of Shahumyan a year later. Eighteen Armenian villages in Northern
Artsakh were invaded by Azerbaijanis and they still remain occupies
by the Azerbaijani armed forces.

Twenty years have passed since the events. The refugees still live
in poor social conditions, many of them still reside in temporary
dwellings. The issue of Northern Artsakh is never being touched upon
during the negotiations taking place within the framework of the OSCE
Minsk Group.

The Shahumyan-Getashen Compatriotic Union came forth with a statement
today, in which it requires to include the issue of Northern Artsakh
in the negotiation process.

"The resolution of the issue of Armenian refugees is impossible
without the settlement of the issue of Northern Artsakh, since about
half a million refugees will be deprived of the opportunity to return
to their homes because of the lack of real security guarantees,"
the statement reads.

"It's necessary to speak about losses and defeats although it is hard,"
President of the Union Edik Balayan told reporters today.

The statement of the Shahumyan-Getashen Compatriotic Union further
reads: "Azerbaijanis are intensively re-settling the Armenian villages,
razing the Armenian settlements, historic monuments and cemeteries
to the ground. They are attempting to erase all traces of Armenian
ethnicity. The actions of Azerbaijan over the past 20 years come
to prove that the Armenian man has never had and cannot have an
opportunity to live under the Azerbaijani rule. Those engaged in the
Artsakh issue must come to understand this."

[Vrej1915]

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A BOOK ABOUT ARMENIAN MONUMENTS OF SHAHUMIAN REGION TO BE PUBLISHED

ARMENPRESS
13 June, 2012
YEREVAN

YEREVAN, JUNE 13, ARMENPRESS: 20 years have passed from the collapse
of Shahumian Region. Deputy Chairman of M. Abeghyan Institute of
Literature Vardan Ghevrikyan said we should value our losses and
remember similar days from the viewpoint of preserving the historical
culture. "We should speak of losses too, or else impression is
formed that we have been an aggressor, and have only occupied without
conceding anything," he said.

Monument expert Samvel Karapetyan has been to this region for three
times. "For the first time I have been here in 1978, from 1980 I have
studied the side more thoroughly, and my last visit was in 1989. I
have managed to be in all villages, and soon a large volume on that
topic will be published, as the territory is very rich in monuments,
even in Turkish-populated villages Armenian cross-stones were exhibited
in museums," he said. Samvel Karapetyan noted that first of all every
Armenian should perfectly know his/her homeland not to lose an inch
of land in future.

In antiquity Shahumian Region was a part of Artsakh; in the Middle Ages
it was part of the principality of Khachen; in the 17-18th centuries
the territory formed part of Melik-Abovian dynasty's melikdom of
Gulistan, with its capital in the fortress of that name.

During Soviet times in the area was renamed after the Armenian
Bolshevik Stepan Shahumyan, its administrative center taking the
same name.

By the 1990s the population of Shahumian district was almost
exclusively Armenian by language and ethnicity, though the area was
not included within the boundaries of theNagorno-Karabakh Autonomous
Oblast by the Soviet Union.

In the spring-summer of 1991, Soviet premier Mikhail Gorbachev ordered
Operation Ring, in which the Soviet Red Army surrounded some of the
area's Armenian villages and violently deported their inhabitants
to Armenia.

Approximately 17,000 Armenians living in Shahumian's twenty-three
villages were deported out of the region.

In December 1991 with the Soviet Union imploding, Shahumian was claimed
by the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic and became the focus for considerable
fighting. This reached a climax in summer 1992 when most of the area
was retaken by the Azerbaijan army. Damage was severe and the Armenian
population fled.

[Vrej1915]

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SHAHUMYAN AND GETASHEN FELL ON THESE DAYS: 21,000 PEOPLE MIGRATED

http://www.yerkirmedia.am/?act=news&lan=en&id=7790

14:37 . 13/06

The population of 21,000 of Shahumayn region and of Getashen
sub-region was forcibly displaced by Azerbaijani bandits 20 years ago
and 21 years ago, respectively. 18 Armenian villages of northern
Artsakh were occupied by the enemy and still remain occupied by the
Azerbaijani armed forces.

Now already casting a sober look at the history, the specialists note:
there has been a period when Azerbaijan's forces exceeded ours. In
June 1992, when the enemy launched a large-scale attack on Shahumyan
region, there was no enough military equipment for defense. The deputy
head of the Literature Institute Vardan Devrikyan states: under the
threat of weapon and death the population migrated from their homeland
and spread all over the world.

"Shahumyan's fall was a blunt blow and very few people can know the
real reason, or maybe it was a special conspiracy, a global political
issue. In any case, it was noticed with a naked eye the enemy had
advantage at that moment in terms of military equipment and our
defense system had exhausted itself in a sense. And it is not casual
that a transfer took place from the detachment system to a defense
army after Shahumyan's fall," Devrikyan said.

"Especially the churches and the cemeteries are viewed as kinds of
monuments which more acutely prove the Armenian origin and they are
becoming a target for destroying. In Shahumyan region there are
several bridges and fountains, which they don't destroy. They just get
rid of the construction minutes and continue to make use of the
fountains or the bridges built by Armenians," monument specialist
Samvel Karapetyan said.

[Vrej1915]

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AZERBAIJANI VILLAGERS AND MILITANTS CLASHED

http://times.am/?l=en&p=8434

13.06.12

A group of Azerbaijani villagers clashed with the militants of the
Azerbaijani Defense Ministry. As Panorama.am informs referring to
Azerbaijani pia.az the accident took place in the village Gyulistan,
Geranboyskiy region, Republic of Azerbaijan. The village is near to
the border with Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

Note that Gyulistan is Armenian village in Armenian Shahumyan region,
which was occupied by the Azerbaijanis in 1992.

According to the source the militants did not let the villagers to
use the fields and forced the residents to pay money for it.

The residents sent a letter to the Azerbaijani President Ilham
Aliyev concerning this issue. Press service of Azerbaijani Ministry
of Defense denied the information.

Real reasons of the clashes between the militants and the villagers
are discussed in the social networks. Accoridng to the information
the villagers are just tired of the firing on the border. They claim
their soldiers to stop firing towards Armenia and do not endanger
lives of ordinary citizens.

__________
Translation incorrect
You must read not militants, but military serviceman.

[arakeretzig]

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A BOOK ABOUT ARMENIAN MONUMENTS OF SHAHUMIAN REGION TO BE PUBLISHED

certainly north artsakh was a joowel of ancient armenian architecture, now it's most likely ruined or about to very soon.
shahumyan is a tough one, either we liberate all of north artsakh to the kura river or we don't. Militarily it's a disaster for the defenders.
Armenia should pick its fights wisely IMHO.

[burjuin]

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Mine-hit serviceman of Azerbaijani Army Ilgar Verdiyev dies
[ 14 Jun 2012 16:15 ]
Baku – APA. Mine-hit serviceman of Azerbaijani Army Ilgar Verdiyev died today, APA was told at the Central Military Clinical Hospital.

The incident occurred on the night of June 9-10 on the contact line of Azerbaijani and Armenian troops in Goranboy region of Azerbaijan. At first chief of engineer squad Zahir Mammadov hit a mine. Commander of combat engineer squadron Verdiyev, who approached the wounded officer, was also wounded as a result of actuation of the second mine. The wounded were taken to the Aghdam hospital. Verdiyev’s right arm and Mammadov’s leg were amputated. Then they were brought to the Central Military Clinical Hospital of Armed forces.

Verdiyev has recently worked as an officer of the Defense Ministry’s press service.

apa.az