self inflicted genocide

[ara87]

Re: self inflicted genocide

Well kurds are having more kids than turks, both in and out of turkey. So maybe they will not have to kill as many turk soliders as initially planned.

Aramanen, instead of always making something about Armenian vs. Turk, could you just answer the thread? This thread is about Armenian women and birth rates. You can talk about Turkish birth rates if you want by comparing the birth rates of both of us, but do not speak of their birth rates as an insult. Even if his quote about Dylan Thomas pissed you off you should not let it get the better of you, after all would you behave this snidely if an armenian posted this thread?

[crusader1492]

Re: self inflicted genocide

Aramanen, instead of always making something about Armenian vs. Turk, could you just answer the thread? This thread is about Armenian women and birth rates. You can talk about Turkish birth rates if you want by comparing the birth rates of both of us, but do not speak of their birth rates as an insult. Even if his quote about Dylan Thomas pissed you off you should not let it get the better of you, after all would you behave this snidely if an armenian posted this thread?

ara87,

Perhaps, your problem is that you don't understand the instigating undertone of sotelturco's comment (which is obvious, btw).
With that said, Armanen's reply was not only clever and astute, but also, it was appropriate.

...so instead of trying to endear yourself with a Turk who has accumulated 3 posts, how about you give the benefit-of-the-doubt to a long-time and well respected forum member, such as Armanen.

I hope I wasn't too "snide" for you.

[gmd]

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Better than being cognizant about it, why don't you find an Armenian wife and make babies.

You make the best point. If Armenians are commited to changing the demographic slide then they should commit to at least 3 kids per family. Especially in the west I think the argument of finance is weak and makes a weak attempt to financially quantify family values.

[ara87]

Re: self inflicted genocide

Perhaps, your problem is that you don't understand the instigating undertone of sotelturco's comment (which is obvious, btw).

i understand that he wanted to instigate something, but if you know that is what he wants to happen, why would you give him what he wants?

You make the best point. If Armenians are commited to changing the demographic slide then they should commit to at least 3 kids per family. Especially in the west I think the argument of finance is weak and makes a weak attempt to financially quantify family values.

If by in the west, you mean the diaspora in Europe in the U.S., it's true one could argue that many families could afford 3 kids, however there are also many that can't. And the point isn't about the Diaspora (who many on here are so certain that we are doomed to assimilation, so there's no point in having kids), but about actual people within the borders of Armenia. There could be 500 million Armenians in the world, but if they're all living outside Armenia, what is the point of having Armenia? the problem with the economy needs to be fixed so actual Armenians in Armenia don't have to leave to find work, and can afford to have a better quality of life and raise as many children as they want

[Lucin]

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I think he does have a point.

Yes, I agree. He does have a point. I firmly believe we cannot solve the problems our country, our society, our communities face without talking, discussing openly and firmly about them but it should be done only by Armenians. It's none of Turks' (or anyone else's for that matter) buisness.

[gmd]

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If a point is valid then why does it matter who makes it?

[Anatolia]

Re: self inflicted genocide

Well kurds are having more kids than turks, both in and out of turkey. So maybe they will not have to kill as many turk soliders as initially planned.

It is true that we have this problem. Last year I was in a town named Sirnak next to Iraq border. We are selling consumer goods to a local Kurd guy around my age. We made a simple calculation. From my mother and father we reached to 7 in three generations. They are 57! I'm affraid, with such a birth rate, they will not create problem only to us but to Armenia too.

[Lucin]

Re: self inflicted genocide

If a point is valid then why does it matter who makes it?

Why should such an issue concern a Turk?

In this case it does not matter because the indivdual in question is a nobody. But I'd definitely question his intention. This is an internal issue that should be discussed openly by Armenians and solved only by Armenians. This is crystal clear for me; similar Armenian issues should not concern the Brits or Americans or Turks. And by doing so, we will not allow people like John Hughes or Soros meddle in our internal affaires with their "good" intentions...

[gmd]

Re: self inflicted genocide

Why should such an issue concern a Turk?

In this case it does not matter because the indivdual in question is a nobody. But I'd definitely question his intention. This is an internal issue that should be discussed openly by Armenians and solved only by Armenians. This is crystal clear for me; similar Armenian issues should not concern the Brits or Americans or Turks. And by doing so, we will not allow people like John Hughes or Soros meddle in our internal affaires with their "good" intentions...

I don't know why it should concern someone else since I do not want to read their mind. I imagine from some strategic perspective both allies and enemies would have some interest in the demographics of any nation.
However, the point raised initially was a valid one. I am not sure we want to ignore the perception others have of our nation, regardless of who those others may be. Numbers do play a role in perception of strength.

[crusader1492]

Re: self inflicted genocide

The population of Artsakh will be getting a shot in the arm in about 9 months

700 Couples Ger Married in Karabakh Mass Wedding

STEPANAKERT (Combined Sources)--Some 700 couples tied the knot Thursday in a mass ceremony, through an event organized by benefactor Levon Hayrapetyan in an effort to encourage an increase in Karabakh's population.

The couples headed to Stepanakert's Renaissance Square where the wedding ceremony took place. Then the couples headed for the Stepan Shahumian Sports Complex and Stadium for a large reception, at which time their official marriage licenses were issued. Some of the couples headed for Gandzasar for their honeymoon.

Each couple was issued a gift card from Unibank as a wedding gift. The couples are also in for several surprises as it was announced that for each child they bare, a monetary reward will be provided in the following manner: 1st child: $2000; 2nd $3000; 3rd $5000; 5th $20,000; 6th $50,000 and 7th $100,000.

Earlier this summer, Haryrapetyan told reporters that his aim was to increase the Karabakh population to 300,000 and this was an incentive for couples to marry and raise families in Karabakh.

Thursday, October 16, 2008