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  • Caucasus Chronicles

    Hi all,

    Remember the book I included in my wish list, that was written by the first greek ambassador to Armenia? Well, I found out my cousin owned it, so I saved my parents a buck or fifty by borrowing it from them.

    I finished reading the book in one day. The language was simple, and easy-going. But I must say that it was veeeery very interesting.

    What scared the hell out of me was when Armenia pretty much disappeared in 1993. If any of you recall (I was too young), but some Chechen Russian took over the parliament in October 93 in order to seize power of Russia. He failed to do so, and the country (or the army) supported Yeltsin. Had he suceeded, he would have called back the russian troops guarding the armo-turkish border, and Turkey would have probably invaded Armenia on the false grounds that Armenia was harboring Kurdish revolutionary training camps.

    What I found most interesting is that the author had met the leader of the ARF, Hrair Maroukian, in Athens, a couple of days before the whole failed coup in Russia. Maroukian was aware of the WHOLE thing, due to his contacts in Russia. He spoke about it to the ambassador, but the ambassador didn't believe him.

    In the end, of course, Maroukian was right. This led me to think about Levon Ter Petrosian. He had been accused by Tashnaks of being too nice with Turkey. In retrospect, did he have any choice? Would it have been any wiser to adopt a hard stance with a country that was threatening to attack you while your population had no food and was chopping down trees to keep warm?

    Yet, the leader of the VERY people who accused Ter Petrosian was pretty much aware of what would have led to the demise of Armenia, and chose to do NOTHING.

    Had Maroukian not died already, I would have killed him myself. In his inaction, he was as big of a traitor to his people than Vasag Suni, motivated only by his own political gains.

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    Dashnaks? Traitors? i dont believe it!

    n.b. extreme sarcasm was used in this post

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    • #3
      oh please, u both r on crack

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      • #4
        explain

        also, what is your view of Dashnaks working with Hitler to attack Armenia?

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        • #5
          explain what to who, to a commie no its cool.
          how bout u explain how nakhichevan, artsakh, javakh, gars and ardahan were given up.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by dstyle oh please, u both r on crack
            Why on crack? Did the ambassador make this up? Can you find anything to disprove what he said?

            You said ABSOLUTELY nothing in reply to the material in the post. 5 points for you for being a brainwashed kid who just follows what his dad once told him.

            Artntsir al, yev nshmare vor azk@ goosagtsootenen arach gooka.

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            • #7
              "how bout u explain how nakhichevan, artsakh, javakh, gars and ardahan were given up."

              ok, Lenin gave Nakhijevan and Artsakh to Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic, Stalin gave them to Azeri to please the Turks, this is why Stalin was not a communist, but opportunist twat

              Kars, Ardahan and Van were SIGNED over to Turks by Dashnaks, 2 days before russian soldiers came...

              After ww2, Stalin said Armenia should get Kars and Van back, but churchil vetoed the decision, instead NATO put missiles there to threaten to bomb armenians.... which is nice.

              Wake up, and read a book and see ashkhareh oom dzerkna!

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              • #8
                first the soviets gave all the lands, because they were given in 1921. the Tashnags as you say were out of power by 1920.


                this greek thing baron speaks about ive never heard of teh book or read it so i cant verify it.
                If the A.R.F. knew about the plan that means enough people knew about it to be stopped.

                Another thing, if levon and the powers at be didnt sell all the factories to there friends, and embezzle the millions upon millions from there own people, i doubt there would be that hunger problem.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by dstyle first the soviets gave all the lands, because they were given in 1921. the Tashnags as you say were out of power by 1920.


                  this greek thing baron speaks about ive never heard of teh book or read it so i cant verify it.
                  If the A.R.F. knew about the plan that means enough people knew about it to be stopped.

                  Another thing, if levon and the powers at be didnt sell all the factories to there friends, and embezzle the millions upon millions from there own people, i doubt there would be that hunger problem.
                  Well, you just admit that you have not even heard of the book, but claimed that I was on crack beforehand. Blind brainwashed kid. You can't even seem to admit that this organization, WHICH IS JUST A POLITICAL PARTY, can ever commit mistakes. Kirke garta, ge khosink.

                  Last part of your post is veeeery debatable. I do agree that the privatization process was completely flawed, but you seem to be forgetting that Armenia just broke off from a communist empire, went through a major earthquake, and was at war with Azerbaidjan. Also, it was facing blockades by both the East and the West, and we all know how reliable the damn georgians have been for us.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Caucasus Chronicles

                    Originally posted by Baron Dants Hi all,

                    Remember the book I included in my wish list, that was written by the first greek ambassador to Armenia? Well, I found out my cousin owned it, so I saved my parents a buck or fifty by borrowing it from them.

                    I finished reading the book in one day. The language was simple, and easy-going. But I must say that it was veeeery very interesting.

                    What scared the hell out of me was when Armenia pretty much disappeared in 1993. If any of you recall (I was too young), but some Chechen Russian took over the parliament in October 93 in order to seize power of Russia. He failed to do so, and the country (or the army) supported Yeltsin. Had he suceeded, he would have called back the russian troops guarding the armo-turkish border, and Turkey would have probably invaded Armenia on the false grounds that Armenia was harboring Kurdish revolutionary training camps.

                    What I found most interesting is that the author had met the leader of the ARF, Hrair Maroukian, in Athens, a couple of days before the whole failed coup in Russia. Maroukian was aware of the WHOLE thing, due to his contacts in Russia. He spoke about it to the ambassador, but the ambassador didn't believe him.

                    In the end, of course, Maroukian was right. This led me to think about Levon Ter Petrosian. He had been accused by Tashnaks of being too nice with Turkey. In retrospect, did he have any choice? Would it have been any wiser to adopt a hard stance with a country that was threatening to attack you while your population had no food and was chopping down trees to keep warm?

                    Yet, the leader of the VERY people who accused Ter Petrosian was pretty much aware of what would have led to the demise of Armenia, and chose to do NOTHING.

                    Had Maroukian not died already, I would have killed him myself. In his inaction, he was as big of a traitor to his people than Vasag Suni, motivated only by his own political gains.
                    now now baron, that's not nice.
                    the fact that this guy is an embassador doesn't make his stories unbiased.
                    now, I know nothing about this guy or what political party he belongs to. but since the letting Tashnagtsoutyoun and its leaders down is the most interesting part of his book, then I'm guessing that was the goal of his book, therefore that he belongs to an anti-Tashnag political party.
                    You accuse dstyle of having been "brainwashed by his dad", yet you leave away the fact that you might as well be raised (or should I say "brainwashed"?) under different political influences.(i.e. the hnchag lense)
                    and your "Had Maroukian not died already, I would have killed him myself." proves that!
                    from his speeches to books and articles written about him, I think Maroukhian is one of the most hairenaser people ever existed.
                    but I'm not gonna get into that right now.
                    we can either choose to be mature "everyone does it their own way" patriotic Armenians, or we can start threads bashing other Armenian political parties.
                    come on now.
                    I thought you knew better.
                    Last edited by jahannam; 12-29-2003, 04:33 PM.

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