Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

[gegev]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

I appreciate very much most of Diaspora Armenians support and efforts to be helpful for the true Armenian cause; that is rejecting to sign the protocol.

Did you see our crowed march on October 9 against it, throughout Yerevan, by TV?
We in Armenia are with you!
Thanks a lot! I love you.

[Gavur]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

Looks like the "Yes" has it by far, lets get to work.

[Mukuch]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

I said all agreements. Basically anything Turkey writes is not worth the paper its written on.

Well thais a good point

[hipeter924]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

These treaties were sighed after the Genocide events.

I said all agreements. Basically anything Turkey writes is not worth the paper its written on.

[qwarten]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

I am not sure if Ottomans had a functioning parliament at the time...

Capitulation of Germany in 1945 also never was ratified by any German parliament. Dose that makes it invalid?

What you overlook is armistices and treaties are not the same thing.
Capitulation of Germany is an unconditional surrender and it's something completely different.After all there wasn't a governing body left aftermath.

This has not necessarily been the case for Ottoman Empire.


PS I do not contest the de facto validity of treaty of sevres at the year of 1920-21. My objection is to its de jure validity.

[Mukuch]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

I was talking about the treaty of sevres not being ratified by the Ottoman parliament.I should have clarified that considering the nature of the particular quote is kinda vague.

I am not sure if Ottomans had a functioning parliament at the time...

Capitulation of Germany in 1945 also never was ratified by any German parliament. Dose that makes it invalid?

[qwarten]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

I think you are mistaken too, the Alexandrople treaty is the one which was not ratified by any Armenian parliament.

I was talking about the treaty of sevres not being ratified by the Ottoman parliament.I should have clarified that considering the nature of the particular quote is kinda vague.

[Mukuch]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

You're mistaken about why the treaty of sevres is invalid.Signed treaties need to be ratified by the parliament (according to the constitution- Kanūn-ı Esāsī for ottoman empire) to be effective.This treaty has never been ratified either by ottoman parliament or later by national assembly of turkey.Thus it's considered invalid.

I think you are mistaken too, the Alexandrople treaty is the one which was not ratified by any Armenian parliament.

[Mukuch]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

I doubt that matters, since Turkey broke all agreements in the first place through the Armenian Genocide.

These treaties were sighed after the Genocide events.

[qwarten]

Re: Vote now: Armenia-diaspora-turkey relations

Armenia is considered first state for recognizing new Turkish Republic with Treaty of Alexandropol. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Alexandropol )

You did this treaty with Turkish Republic in 1920 and legally invalidated treaty of Sevres.

After Turkish Independence War (with Turkish Victory) England,Greece,Italy and France also invalidated treaty of Sevres by doing new treaty which was Treaty of Lausanne ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Lausanne )

So Treaty of Sevres is invalid this mainly blocks improvement of Turk-Armenian relation... This is more important problem than recognizing genocide.

You're mistaken about why the treaty of sevres is invalid.Signed treaties need to be ratified by the parliament (according to the constitution- Kanūn-ı Esāsī for ottoman empire) to be effective.This treaty has never been ratified either by ottoman parliament or later by national assembly of turkey.Thus it's considered invalid.