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  • Re: Armenia will be the winner if manupulation of politics could be put in action

    A Talysh question on the net:

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    • Re: Armenia will be the winner if manupulation of politics could be put in action

      26.09.2013
      Ex-Azeri Commander Brings Message Of Peace To Karabakh
      Lusine Musayelian եւ Emil Danielyan
      An exiled former Azerbaijani military leader currently campaigning for the rights of an ethnic minority in Azerbaijan visited Nagorno-Karabakh on Thursday two decades after confronting Karabakh Armenian forces on the battlefield.

      Alikram Hummatov, a retired colonel who had served as Azerbaijan’s deputy defense minister, deplored the 1991-1994 war and called for a peaceful resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict as he met with university students in Stepanakert. His messages of peace and criticism of the current Azerbaijani government repeatedly drew cheers from an audience that is too young to remember the horrors of the war.

      “It’s nice to be in Artsakh,” Hummatov declared, using the Armenian name of the disputed territory. “I believe that we must do everything to establish peace in the region so that our beloved children live, create and study in peaceful conditions.”

      “I always say that if you fight in a war like a real man, you must also be able to make peace like a real man,” he added.

      Asked by RFE/RL’s Armenian service (Azatutyun.am) how he feels about visiting a region which he had sought to forcibly put back under Azerbaijani control, Hummatov said, “Yes, I went to war against Nagorno-Karabakh and I don’t make secret of that, but today I hate war because of having seen it. What gave me the right to send young men to the battlefield? This and many other questions are keeping me restless.”

      Hummatov, who also met with Karabakh parliament speaker Ashot Ghulian, rose to prominence in Azerbaijan in late 1991 as one of the organizers of first Azerbaijani army units. He set up a battalion, subsequently expanded into a brigade, that largely consisted of fellow Talysh, an Iranian-speaking ethnic group concentrated in Azerbaijan’s southeastern region bordering Iran. The unit battled Armenian forces at various sections of the Karabakh frontline in 1992-1993.

      Hummatov became deputy defense minister several months before proclaiming in June 1993 a short-lived Talysh-Mughan Autonomous Republic amid political turmoil in Baku. He was deposed and arrested later in 1993. He subsequently received a life sentence on treason charges.

      The Azerbaijani authorities pardoned and freed Hummatov in 2004 under pressure from the Council of Europe. The 65-year-old has since lived in Europe.

      Hummatov travelled to Karabakh from Armenia where he inaugurated on Tuesday a graduate program of Talysh studies at Yerevan State University (YSU). Addressing dozens of university professors and students, he praised the initiative approved and clearly encouraged by the Armenian government. He claimed that the Azerbaijani authorities have been suppressing the cultural rights of Talysh as part of a long-running policy of forced assimilation.

      According to the Regnum news agency, Hummatov also called for the revival of the Talysh republic, suggesting that it form a “confederation” with the rest of Azerbaijan.

      Hummatov’s trip to Armenia and Karabakh has caused a stir in Baku, with many politicians there condemning it as high treason and accusing the Armenians of fanning Talysh separatism. “The Armenians are thus trying to show that Nagorno-Karabakh’s existence within Azerbaijan is impossible,” 1news.az quoted Zahid Oruj, a pro-government parliamentarian, as saying on Wednesday.

      Another news agency, Salamnews.org, reported that Talysh leaders in Azerbaijan have issued a statement condemning Hummatov and saying that he cannot speak for their community. “The Talysh have given many martyrs in the battles for Karabakh’s liberation from the Armenian aggressors,” they said.

      Azerbaijani officials accused the Armenian side of whipping up separatist sentiment among their country’s Talysh and other minorities even before Hummatov’s high-profile visit. In particular, they condemned the launch last March of Talysh-language radio broadcasts from Karabakh.

      The Voice of Talyshstan radio station was founded by Garnik Asatrian, a prominent Armenian academic who also set up the Talysh studies program at YSU. Welcoming Hummatov at Armenia’s largest university on Tuesday, Asatrian denied any ulterior motives behind the Armenian interest in the Talysh people.

      Asatrian insisted that YSU is simply expanding its department of broader Iranian studies. “The Talysh are one of the largest Iranian ethnic groups,” he said. “Besides, despite the religious difference, of all indigenous peoples, the Talysh are the closest to the Armenians in terms of culture and genetic parameters.”
      Ազատ Եվրոպա/Ազատություն ռադիոկայան 2013

      An exiled former Azerbaijani military leader currently campaigning for the rights of an ethnic minority in Azerbaijan visited Nagorno-Karabakh on Thursday two decades after confronting Karabakh Armenian forces on the battlefield.

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      • Re: Armenia will be the winner if manupulation of politics could be put in action

        Hummatov: Talyshs were mistaken considering Azerbaijan as homeland

        The Talyshs are not respected in Azerbaijan, and a policy of their assimilation is being implemented, Ali Akram Hummatov, who was President of the Talysh-Mughan Republic (1993), said during the meeting at Yerevan State University (YSU).

        At the presentation ceremony of a master’s program “Talysh Studies” developed by the YSU Sub-department of Iranian Studies, the leader of the Talysh national movement made a speech, in which he discussed the problems of the Talyshs in Azerbaijan. “In Azerbaijan, the Talyshs are deprived of basic rights. We are not respected; we are being extirpated, with a policy of assimilation being implemented against us. They at the same time declare that we are brothers. This is illogical.

        We want to write and read in the mother tongue. In response to our demands, they (the Azerbaijani authorities) openly say,” You, the Talyshs, have no future, you must be assimilated”, Hummatov said.

        Speaking about the possibility of declaration of an independent state by the Talyshs, the national figure said: “We were mistaken. We didn’t realize certain things. We considered Azerbaijan our homeland and were even prepared to give up our lives for it, but the homeland should also defend us with might and main, and if it refuses to do it, then we have our homeland and we will build our homeland – Talyshstan”.

        “Our youths already have self-consciousness. No one can stop us anymore. We will speak in Talysh and struggle for our independence,” Hummatov stated.

        “Studies of the Talysh language, culture and history to be conducted by the YSU Sub-Department of Iranian Studies are extremely important in terms of raising awareness of the Talysh people,” Hummatov said, adding that thanks to programs broadcast by The Voice of Talyshstan radio station from Artsakh, many Talyshs, including Hummatov himself, began to learn Talysh.

        The Head of the YSU Sub-Department of Iranian Studies Prof. Garnik Asatrian made a speech, discussing the problems of Talysh studies. In his words, much work has been done in recent years in order to promote Talysh studies: two conferences of experts in Talysh studies were held in 2005 and 2011, a number of books about the history and culture of the Talysh people have been released, and The Voice of Talyshstan radio station was launched in 2013.


        26.09.2013, 14:47

        Aysor.am

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        • Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan



          Saturday, November 09, 2013


          Shots were recently fired at the Iranian-Azerbaijani border, as a result of
          which Iran warned Azerbaijan that a fitting response will be given to such
          steps. Iran then closed the Julfa checkpoint.

          Expert on Iran Rudik Yaralian said that the checkpoint's closing was not
          advantageous to Iran. `The recent border incident was more advantageous to
          Azerbaijan that tries to prevent contacts on the Iranian-Azerbaijani
          border, particularly the contacts of Talyshs with Iran,' Yaralian said.

          In his words, Talyshs' contacts with Iran cause panic of the Azerbaijani
          leadership. R. Yaralian expressed an opinion that Azerbaijan continues to
          take an anti-Iranian position in the South Caucasus and that anti-Iranian
          forces may rely on Azerbaijan.

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          • Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

            Very interesting issue
            Pleasant surprise seeing the issue so active at the moment
            However, seeing the military build up of Azebaijan, the ruthless nature of the current regime, and the willingness of many world powers to turn a blind eye to Azerbaijan's human rights violations, the Talysh face a very uphill battle before they can form a serious threat of creating any form of separatist state/region.
            Just an internal uprising/struggle itself would be more than satisfactory. Anything that can occupy the regime and prevent war on our end

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            • Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

              Ադրբեջան նախագիծն ավարտվում է
              Չորեքշաբթի, 18 Դեկտեմբերի 2013,


              Ի սկզբանե Ադրբեջանը Խորհրդային միության կողմից ստեղծվել է որպես քաղաքական նախագիծ: 1920 թ սկզբին գավառների տարածքում, որոնցից հավաքվել էր Ադրբեջանը, կովկասյան թաթարները (ժամանակակից ադրբեջանցիները) կազմում էին բնակչության 40 տոկոսից պակաս: Սակայն ԽՍՀՄ-ը, չնայած բնիկ ժողովուրդների հանդեպ մուսավաթականների ու թուրքերի բոլոր գազանություններին, նախապատվությունը տվեց հենց նրանց:
              Երազելով համաշխարհային կոմունիզմի մասին, թուրքերին դուր գալու համար վերցվեց հարեւան Իրանի տարածքի անվանումը, դրանով իսկ տարածքային հավակնություններ ներկայացնելով:
              20-րդ դարի ողջ ընթացքում Ադրբեջանի բնիկ ժողովուրդները ենթարկվել են դաժան ասիմիլյացիայի: Սակայն, չնայած պանթուրանիստական գաղափարախոսության բոլոր գործողություններին, որը ներկայում էլ ուղեկցում է Ադրբեջանին, բնիկ ժողովուրդները դիմացան, եւ տվյալ պահին Ադրբեջանի բնակչության 40 տոկոսը լեզգիներ, թալիշներ, թաթեր ու հայեր են:
              Վերջին 20 տարիներին հալածանքների ու բռնի ասիմիլյացիայի չդադարող քաղաքականությունը հանգեցրել է բնական դիմադրության: Ամեն օր Ադրբեջանի հյուսիսից, լեզգիների ու ավարների բնակության վայրերից ստացվում են իբր ահաբեկիչների ձերբակալությունների մասին լուրեր: Իրականում նրանք տեղացի երիտասարդներ են, որոնք խիստ բացասական են վերաբերվում տեղական էլիտաներին: Դրա վկայությունն են երկու խոշոր ցույցերը Ղուբայի (2012 թ. մարտի 1-ին) եւ Իսմաիլիի (2013 թ. հունվարի 23-ին) շրջաներում, որտեղ հոծ բնակվում են լեզգիներ եւ թաթեր: Բացի այդ, 2013 թ. ընթացքում Ադրբեջանի խոշոր քաղաքներում ցույցեր են եղել:
              Ադրբեջանը ցնցվում ու ճաքեր է տալիս, արհեստականորեն ստեղծված պետությունն այլեւս չի կարող գոյատեւել: Էլմ վե հայաթ ամսագրի տվյալով (N 11, Բաքու, 1988 г. էջ 21) լեզգիները կազմում են բնակչության ընդհանուր թվի 9,6 տոկոսը, այսինքն ավելի քան 800 հազար մարդ: Փաստացի, ներկայում Ադրբեջանում ապրում է մոտ 1,5 միլիոն լեզգի: Մոտավորապես այդքան էլ թալիշ է ապրում:
              Բնիկ ժողովուրդները պատրաստ են վերականգնել սեփական պետականությունները: 90-ական թթ. սկզբին հայերը Ղարաբաղում, թալիշները Թալիշ-մուղանական հանրապետությունում եւ լեզգիները Ադրբեջանի հյուսիսում եւ Դաղստանի հարավում ստեղծեցին պետության նախատիպը, սակայն այն ժամանակ մենք չէինք կարող որեւէ մեկի վրա հենվել, եւ փաստացի Ռուսաստանի հետ գործարքի մեջ մտնելով՝ ժողովրդական ազատության բոլոր օջախները ճնշվեցին: Դիմացավ միայն Ղարաբաղը:
              Ներկայում բնիկ ժողովուրդները չեն ընկել, եւ եթե լինի բավարար աջակցություն եւ քաղաքական ուժեղ պլատֆորմ, բնիկ ժողովուրդները կարող են վերականգնել սեփական պետականությունը:
              Էնվեր Աբդուլլաեւ, Լեզգիական շարժման վերլուծաբան
              - See more at: http://www.lragir.am/index/arm/0/com....2V18vknl.dpuf

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              • Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

                Estimates of 3 main minorities in Azerbaijan

                Lezgis (sunni)
                "Official" population: 180,300 2.02% of overall population (2009 census)
                Actual population: up to 600,000-800,000 6.5-8.5% of the inflated 9 million Azeri population. Likely up to 10% of actual population

                "The 2009 Census puts the Lezghin population at 180,300 or 2.02% of the population.
                However, this figure is highly disputed with other figures from Lezghin and independent sources putting the
                figure at between 600,000 and 800,000. " -The Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization


                Talysh (Shiite)
                "Official" population: 112,000 1.25% of overall population (2009 census)
                Actual population: up to 300,000-500,000 3.5-6% of inflated 9 million Azeri population.

                "Talysh nationalists claim ethnic talysh account for 11% of Azerbaijan's population, numbering 835,000"
                Dominating world politics since 1945, the Cold War created a fragile peace while suppressing national groups in the Cold War's most dangerous theater—Europe. Today, with the collapse of Communism, the European Continent is again overshadowed by the specter of radical nationalism, as it was at the beginning of the century. Focusing on the many possible conflicts that dot the European landscape, this book is the first to address the Europeans as distinct national groups, not as nation-states and national minorities. It is an essential guide to the national groups populating the so-called Old World-groups that continue to dominate world headlines and present the world community with some of its most intractable conflicts.While other recent reference books on Europe approach the subject of nations and nationalism from the perspective of the European Union and the nation-state, this book addresses the post-Cold War nationalist resurgence by focusing on the most basic element of any nationalism—the nation. It includes entries on nearly 150 groups, surveying these groups from the earliest period of their national histories to the dawn of the 21st century. In short essays highlighting the political, social, economic, and historical evolution of peoples claiming a distinct identity in an increasingly integrated continent, the book provides both up-to-date information and historical background on the European national groups that are currently making the news and those that will produce future headlines.


                Avars (sunni)
                "Official population": 49,800 0.5% of overal population (2009 census)
                Actual population: about 200,000 or 2.25% of inflated 9 million Azeri population


                In addition to this, Azerbaijan's population is nowhere near 9 million. In the 1989 Soviet Census, there were 6.8 million (non-Armenian) people living in Azerbaijan, 5.8 million of which were Azeri. Through rampant war, poverty, and unemployment, we are led to believe that this 6.8 million somehow grew to 8 million by Around 2000. In reality, by 2000 their population may have already been around 5 million. http://www.azerbaijantoday.az/ARCHIVE/01/life8.html

                It is very hard for me to believe their population is much higher than 5 million today, with a sizable portion of that being minorities.
                Last edited by Mher; 03-23-2014, 05:18 AM.

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                • Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

                  Report on Azeri minorities, starts at 26:20

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                  • Re: Artsakh, Lezgistan, Avaristan, Taloshistan

                    Talysh regions of Azerbaijan may separate, after Crimea’s example



                    The Talysh-populated regions of Azerbaijan are likely to separate, after the example of Crimea,” says an article available on arannews.ir.

                    The Iranian source, citing the article published in ‘Gundam Khabar’ Azerbaijani daily, says in particular: “New processes are brewing in Azerbaijan after Crimean peninsula’s unification with Russia. Particularly, the opportunity of Azerbaijani northern regions’ joining Russia is being discussed’.

                    Indicating the recent international conferences on the rights of Azerbaijan’s indigenous peoples, the article author writes: “It is not ruled out that one day Russia will implement Crimea’s scenario in Azerbaijan as well. In the context of the Crimea events, Azerbaijan’s southern regions populated by Talyshs are also likely to separate”.

                    We would remind you that addressing the problems of the Talyshs in Azerbaijan in his speech at the recent conference ‘Reconciliation and Peace-building in the South Caucasus’ in the European Parliament, Hummatov said in particular:

                    Azerbaijan has not yet ratified the European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages. The Talyshs have chosen a peaceful and democratic path of a struggle to liberate their historical homeland and the Talysh national movement works towards only the establishment of peace”.

                    According to Hummatov, “Azerbaijan has placed the name ‘Talysh’ under a taboo: Azerbaijan’s pro-government media use the term ‘Southern Region’ instead of Talyshstan, while the name ‘Lankaran Khanate’ is used instead of ‘Talysh Khanate’ in school textbooks. Any step by the Talyshs to preserve their national culture and historic heritage is labeled as separatist”.

                    “For more than two decades, the Azerbaijani authorities have avoided opening Talysh schools and Talysh-language radio and television in the southern regions of Azerbaijan. About 1.5 million Talyshs live in Azerbaijan, although official Baku presents their number as small. Despite the large Talysh population, the Azerbaijani authorities make great efforts to prevent the Talyshs from being part in the country’s population structure: Azerbaijan is trying to annihilate the Talyshs and destroy their culture,” Alikram Hummantov said.

                    Earlier Alikram Hummatov visited Armenia and Artsakh in October 2013. He made a speech at Iranian Studies Sub-Department of Yerevan State University, addressing the problems of Talyshs in Azerbaijan. He said in particular: “The Talyshs in Azerbaijan are deprived of basic rights. We, the Talyshs, are not respected, we are exterminated. A policy of assimilation is being carried out against us, and then they say that we are brothers. This is illogical. We want to read and write in our native language. In response to our demands, they (the Azerbaijani authorities) openly declare: “You, the Talyshs, have no future, you must be assimilated”.

                    In an interview with the Public Television of Artsakh, when asked by the reporter if they would again fight on the opposite side of trenches in case of a war, the Talysh national figure said: “God forbid. I don’t want the Talyshs to participate in that war. I am making an appeal from here. It will not be our war. We don’t need it. I also say to all the other peoples: Why endanger our lives that God endowed us with in a war which will not give us anything”.

                    Talysh-populated regions of Azerbaijan are likely to separate, after the example of Crimea,” says an article available on arannews.ir.

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                      10 июня группа восканапатцев совершила поездку в одну из приграничных зон Армении: увидеть воочию результаты имевшего место две недели назад ...


                      10 июня группа восканапатцев совершила поездку в одну из приграничных зон Армении: увидеть воочию результаты имевшего место две недели назад крупнейшего военно-стратегического успеха Армянской армии за последние 20 лет. Сразу скажу, изменения на границе превзошли самые оптимистичные наши ожидания, и репортаж о поездке обязательно будет опубликован в ближайшие дни. Вместе с видео и фотоматериалами. А пока поговорим не о военной, а о цивилизационно-политической составляющей нашего региона, волею судьбы и географии являющимся буферной зоной между Россией и Турцией, а также между Россией и Ираном.

                      Надо сказать, что ансамбль буферных между Россией и Ираном государств разлажен, из него однозначно выпадает Азербайджан. Причина этого кроется в том, что построенный на идеологии кочевой цивилизации Азербайджан является выраженным представителем атлантистского (западного) мира, антагонистичного как Ирану, так и Росиии. Буфером между странами общего цивилизационного поля могут быть лишь цивилизационно же близкие к ним или, в меньшей степени, “колеблющиеся”, эклектические государства.

                      То есть Азербайджан никоим образом не может выполнять предназначенную ему географией роль: способствовать сближению позиций между Ираном и Россией. Более того, выпадение Азербайджана из сферы влияния двух этих государств становится причиной непосредственного контакта, а, следовательно, и трений между ними. Такой “уход” Азербайджана из региона чреват еще и вторжением туда Запада, на который и ориентируется Баку. А прозападный клин между Россией и Ираном таит одинаково смертельную угрозу для обоих государств.

                      Сегодня и Москва, и Тегеран прилагают немало дипломатических усилий, чтобы “вернуть” Азербайджанскую республику в регион и заставить ее играть предназначенную ей географией роль. Однако усилия их к каким-либо особым успехам в этом важном для мира регионе не приводят. Причина этой неудачи представляется в игнорировании и Россией (в большей степени), и Ираном (в меньшей степени) этнического состава населения Азербайджана.

                      Между тем, в Азербайджане проживает несколько автохтонных крупных этнических массивов, имеющие с закавказскими турками – азербайджанцами серьезные взаимные противоречия религиозного, этнического, языкового, цивилизационного характера. Разнится и опирающаяся на цивилизационные воззрения внешнеполитическая ориентация населяющих Азербайджан народов. Так, если господствующий в стране тюркский элемент тяготеет к Турции, то лезгины и аварцы испытывают симпатии к России, а талыши к этнически родственному Ирану. Симпатизируют Ирану и парсийцы мусульмане.

                      Крупные автохтонные народы Азербайджана, в большинстве не идентифицируют себя с азербайджанцами и не разделяют интересы кочевников. В годы военной агрессии против Республики Арцах некоторые народы Азербайджана пытались дистанцироваться от войны, не желая воевать против армян во имя чисто тюркских интересов. Известный российский геополитик С. Гаджиев пишет:

                      “Как показал опыт карабахской войны, слабым звеном азербайджанской армии является наличие в ней значительного контингента из числа представителей национальных меньшинств: лезгин, курдов, аварцев и других народностей, которые при определенных условиях могут не подчиниться своим командирам”*.

                      Больше того, депутаты от районов компактного расселения талышей и лезгин выступали на заседаниях Милли Меджлиса (парламента) Азербайджана против решения проблемы военным путем, мобилизации талышской и лезгинской молодежи и отправки их на фронт, что в условиях тоталитарного Азербайджана требует большого мужества.

                      Еще задолго до начала агрессии против Республики Арцах некоторые азербайджанские ученые и политики с тревогой отмечали процесс роста национального самосознания у нацменьшинств республики.

                      “Процесс лингвистической ассимиляции в этих этносах за последнее десятилетие приостановился и весьма существенно; азербайджанский язык назвали родным в 1979 году 8,6% представителей народов Дагестана, в том числе 9,1% лезгин, 7,2% аварцев, 5,8% цахур, 6,4% лакцев, кроме того, только 4,2% татов, 16,6% курдов. Во время этносоциологической экспедиции в Кахский и Закатальский район мы отмечали возрастание интереса к родному языку, фольклору, истории среди аварцев и цахур”**.

                      Замечу, что после выхода из состава СССР и обретения Азербайджаном независимости, рост национального самосознания среди автохтонных народов этого образования значительно усилился. На этом фоне, а также в силу активного неприятия привлечения молодежи автохтонных народов в военные действия в Арцахе, стали провозглашаться новые государства на пока еще принадлежащей Азербайджану территории. Были провозглашены Талыш-Муганская Республика, Гянджинская Республика, Нахиджеванская республика. Последняя, правда, “отложила” идею независимости после того, как ее лидер – Гейдар Алиев – смог устроить военный переворот в Азербайджане и захватить власть. Наибольшей непримиримостью, пожалуй, отличалось лезгинское национальное движение “Садвал”, не сумевшее, однако, повести за собой все лезгинское население Азербайджана.

                      Тем не менее, противоречия между этно-политическими интересами автохтонных народов Азербайджана и закавказскими турками не только не нивелированы, но и, наоборот, обостряются с каждым годом. В последнее время, например, все более активно напоминают о своих этнических правах парсийцы, долгое время казавшиеся наиболее интегрированными в тюркскую общность народом Азербайджана. К сожалению, по имеющимся сведениям, парсийцы, как, впрочем, и другие автохтонные народы Азербайджана, лишены действенной помощи со стороны.

                      Между тем, коренные народы Азербайджана способны стать гарантом мира во всем регионе и оказать серьезное влияние на внешнюю политику Баку, заставить его выполнять географически предназначенную ему роль. Азербайджану необходимо дать понять: игнорирование интересов населяющих его народов неминуемо приведет к расчленению республики на государственные образования этносов-автохтонов.

                      Этническая мозаичность Азербайджана насыщена историческими противоречиями, а национальная политика Баку лишь усугубляет их. В этих условиях обращенный к Москве и Тегерану вопрос – Насколько правильно не учитывать в своих отношениях с Азербайджаном интересы населяющих его народов? – становится риторическим. Игнорирование интересов этих народов сегодня способно оттолкнуть их от своих цивилизационных союзников. Нельзя пренебрегать интересами союзников, это чревато крупными геополитическими поражениями.

                      Левон МЕЛИК-ШАХНАЗАРЯН

                      * Гаджиев С. Геополитика Кавказа. Москва, 2001

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