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  • #1

    Utopia

    It'd be great if we could have an union.. with all people of this region living free and away from religious hate; with a friendship. I mean, you Turks and Armenians together; Greeks, Georgians of course and maybe even Bulgarians and Arabs.. hah.. It'd be a nice democracy; Istanbul as a capital, federated states as they were. We'd be so strong, so strong that we would not even be toys of Russians and Americans...

    It'd be great if Greeks were not removed from Anatolia and Turks were not removed from Greece.. If only Bulgarians did not massacre all those people.. And Armenians were still in Turkey; Karabagh conflict never happened.. well not much problem with Georgia, however I'd like to have a non-Soviet history in her history books. Arabs would never sided with Britishs..

    And I'd be living in South Georgia now, maybe I could go to a university at Tiflis, a simple life there under the skirts of Caucasus.

    If only... if only... all those things were away from us.. all of that hate within the people, bloody politicians, militaristic heads...

    I wonder if my grandsons and granddaughters could see an union such as that again.. Will they be able to see Greek shop-owners and Armenian restaurants next to Turkish markets again in Istanbul? Would a Muslim could be able to pray in Yerevan again and an Armenian could be raise wheat again in Van?

    Maybe not a state-union.. Maybe its too late for Greece and Bulgaria.. Thats really utopic; but they would be great..

    I've met with all people from this corner of the world. Georgians, Greeks, Bulgarians, Turks, Kurds, Armanians, Arabs, Lazs, Cherkezs, Abhazs... and many others; and I could simply say:

    We are so alike.

    ..a British or a French can not be that close to me. They are really "foreigners".
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    Re: Utopia

    Well i need not say how unrealistic this is but for arguments sake lets say that all of these people forgot about past history,wars,wrongdoings..they still could not form such a union because the powerful states like russia,usa,europe would't allow it, they dont like competition.
    Hayastan or Bust.

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    • #3
      Re: Utopia

      Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
      Well i need not say how unrealistic this is but for arguments sake lets say that all of these people forgot about past history,wars,wrongdoings..they still could not form such a union because the powerful states like russia,usa,europe would't allow it, they dont like competition.
      It would kind of put a damper on Israel's plans as well
      "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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      • #4
        Re: Utopia

        Originally posted by Army View Post
        It'd be great if we could have an union.. with all people of this region living free and away from religious hate; with a friendship. I mean, you Turks and Armenians together; Greeks, Georgians of course and maybe even Bulgarians and Arabs.. hah.. It'd be a nice democracy; Istanbul as a capital
        Why does Istanbul have to be the capital?
        After all having a capital such as Istanbul shows
        the very first sign of a stolen city *cough*Constantinople.

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        • #5
          Re: Utopia

          Originally posted by Icy View Post
          Why does Istanbul have to be the capital?
          After all having a capital such as Istanbul shows
          the very first sign of a stolen city *cough*Constantinople.
          Okay let the name be Constantinople; both names are Greek (Istanbul is also a Greek name).

          Why Istanbul? hmm because I think that city is born to be a capital. Its noble. Being the capital of 3 empires: Romans, Byzantium and Ottomans for nearly over 1500 years. (And Latins for a short time) Anyway, this is just an utopic dream

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          • #6
            Re: Utopia

            I think we should make Abaran the capitol caus they would probably benefit the most from utopia.
            Hayastan or Bust.

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            • #7
              Re: Utopia

              Originally posted by Army View Post
              Okay let the name be Constantinople; both names are Greek (Istanbul is also a Greek name).

              Why Istanbul? hmm because I think that city is born to be a capital. Its noble. Being the capital of 3 empires: Romans, Byzantium and Ottomans for nearly over 1500 years. (And Latins for a short time) Anyway, this is just an utopic dream
              Ok, fine... but we're calling it Bolis.
              "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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              • #8
                Re: Utopia

                Originally posted by KanadaHye View Post
                Ok, fine... but we're calling it Bolis.
                For real or is it an insult? I dont know Armenian.

                It can also be Stamboul or Tsargrad... Languages differ.

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                • #9
                  Re: Utopia

                  Originally posted by Army View Post
                  For real or is it an insult? I dont know Armenian.

                  It can also be Stamboul or Tsargrad... Languages differ.
                  It comes from Constantinopolis. Armenians from Istanbul call it Bolis.
                  "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                    Re: Utopia

                    Istanbul in turkish means "The City" in Greek "Κωνσταντινούπολη""Constantinople" means The City of Konstantin the Emperor that found and build the City by the gudnes of an angel.
                    "πολη Pole" in Greek means city so for a short cut they called it pole meaning the City,so the turks having the difficulty to say the hole name of the city they called it in turkish City,the question is why they dont say in turkish the full name of the city?
                    How u can say Constantine in turkish so i guess it would be Istanbul Constantine or something like that.

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