Armenia doesn't recognize Artsakh Independence

[AlphaPapa]

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They're always threatening Armenia/Artsakh with war...what would change if Armenia recognized Artsakhs independence? Maybe they should stop with the war-like rhetoric from their government officials.

Heritage party has no where near the influence it needs to get anything done. The ARF still seems to be a part of the coalition with sarkisyan. Levon Der Bedrosian is pretty much nuetered and I believe a decoy for sarkisyan.

I don't see any valid rationale for NOT recognizing Artsakhs independence...not even from the azeri side.

[Eddo211]

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I want to believe that the reason Armenia does not officially recognize Artsakh is because of a strategic advantage…..in terms of not putting all your eggs in one basket and be able to declare none interference in Artsakh’s government decisions making under international pressure (even though it has great influence). Serj should at least declare Artsakh recognized once it is apparent that the Turkish parliament is about to approve the protocols.


I have always believed that if things starts going really wrong Artsakh will be Armenians last stand.......

[AlphaPapa]

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We should tell those in power (including the ARF, who is a part of the coalition) to explain themselves. Same goes for Levon Der Bedrosian, who didn't do squat under his government. Why should we guess as to why they aren't doing it? Where is the debate, or why isn't there one, every time the Heritage party proposes Artsakh become recognized?



In the meantime, Armenia's greatest threat has this to say about it:



"AZERBAIJANI PRESIDENT: "WE SURPASS THEM IN ALL RESPECTS"

Our country's opportunities are increasing both in economic and military spheres. At present, Azerbaijani army is the strongest in the region. If we had had such a powerful army late 1980 and early 1990, Azerbaijani lands would not have been "occupied". The people who were in power in Azerbaijan in late 1980s and early 1990s made big mistakes. However, as soon as Heydar Aliyev took office, the situation in Azerbaijan changed. Several territories were returned and ceasefire was achieved", Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said yesterday at a ceremony.

"During ceasefire, Azerbaijan was able to achieve great success," Aliyev said adding at present Azerbaijan’s economy cannot be compared with that of Armenia.

"We surpass them in all respects. We have very broad political opportunities. Our international positions are strong. Our economic potential is higher several times. Regarding military strength, I would like to stress again that Azerbaijani army is the strongest in the region. We enhance our military strength. Indeed, it needs huge funds. But we must do it as we live in war conditions. The war has not finished yet. It’s first stage has been completed. We must be ready to liberate our native lands from "occupiers" at any moment", he said, according to an Azerbaijani news agency.

http://azgdaily.com/EN/2009101703

[AlphaPapa]

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from lragir.am

(first article)

KARABAKH HAS TO GET MORE ACTIVE

The ARF Supreme Body representative Armen Rustamyan stated on October 16 that Karabakh is passive in connection with the Armenian and Turkish process. He said Karabakh has to become more active.

He said that their next gathering maybe when some clarifications will be made about Karabakh and this day is not far. The logic is evident. It is evident that there are preconditions and obligations, said Armen

(second article)
KARABAKH IS NOT A MARIONETTE (puppet)

We had not yet managed to shift away the accusation of the HAK and the Armenian society that the Karabakh is not active, is indifferent, silent that we heard another accusation from another field. On October 16, addressing the ARF rally, the representative of the ARF supreme Body Armen Rustamyan said Karabakh is passive in connection with the Armenian and Turkish process. He also said that one day this camel will appear in front of Karabakh’s doors and the logic is evident. It is evident where this process leads, in other words there are preconditions.

With all my respect to Armen Rustamyan, at the same time I have to say that such statements give way to doubts. Each of the Armenian forces thinks that Karabakh has to become active by their one single appeal and call. No one is interested whether Karabakh is ready for it or not, let alone if it wants or not. They say it must.

During the last decade, we have destroyed the factor of Karabakh with our hands, with such a behavior, physiology, in addition both the government and the political forces did it and unfortunately also the society having such a government and such political forces. While elementary education and respect are needed in such relations. Not to give orders but to speak, to listen to each other and to agree. It is sorrowful but it is a fact- the societies of Armenia and Karabakh does not know each other. And this is the question about which no one else maybe accused but we.

We have to think and worry about this. If the Armenian political forces are worried about the behavior and the opinions of Artsakh, so they have to promote the establishment of civil and civilized society here. This is a work to be done during many years and many do not have enough patience. In this case, I am sorry but let them not destroy our patience.

I think Karabakh has repeatedly proved that it does not tolerate being ordered. Yes, sometimes, it was silent, repressed but has never became a marionette and never ordered by pressing a button. By saying Karabakh I mean the people, only and exceptionally the people.

And then, what does mean the phrase “Karabakh has to get activated”. Karabakh is not an incubator having one opinion, one color, one face even if the authors of the “Artsakh Union” project affirm this. It is composed of many chains one of which is the ARF Artsakh organization. So general appeals are not to be made.

If everything goes this way, neither the camel will approach Karabakh, because it will not have the wish to knock at the door of an empty house. And this is a way to prevent any camel to appear in front of the door. There is no house there is no camel.

GEGHAM BAGHDASARYAN
Stepanakert

[hipeter924]

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We should tell those in power (including the ARF, who is a part of the coalition) to explain themselves. Same goes for Levon Der Bedrosian, who didn't do squat under his government. Why should we guess as to why they aren't doing it? Where is the debate, or why isn't there one, every time the Heritage party proposes Artsakh become recognized?



In the meantime, Armenia's greatest threat has this to say about it:



"AZERBAIJANI PRESIDENT: "WE SURPASS THEM IN ALL RESPECTS"

Our country's opportunities are increasing both in economic and military spheres. At present, Azerbaijani army is the strongest in the region. If we had had such a powerful army late 1980 and early 1990, Azerbaijani lands would not have been "occupied". The people who were in power in Azerbaijan in late 1980s and early 1990s made big mistakes. However, as soon as Heydar Aliyev took office, the situation in Azerbaijan changed. Several territories were returned and ceasefire was achieved", Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev said yesterday at a ceremony.

"During ceasefire, Azerbaijan was able to achieve great success," Aliyev said adding at present Azerbaijan’s economy cannot be compared with that of Armenia.

"We surpass them in all respects. We have very broad political opportunities. Our international positions are strong. Our economic potential is higher several times. Regarding military strength, I would like to stress again that Azerbaijani army is the strongest in the region. We enhance our military strength. Indeed, it needs huge funds. But we must do it as we live in war conditions. The war has not finished yet. It’s first stage has been completed. We must be ready to liberate our native lands from "occupiers" at any moment", he said, according to an Azerbaijani news agency.
http://azgdaily.com/EN/2009101703

Depressing reading but what can you say, it only further proves what sort of paranoid military dictatorship the Azeri's live in. I think Artsakh should be recognised now sooner than later though, as the longer Armenia waits the harder it will be for Artsakh to claim independence. As for the reason why there is no discussion, the Armenian politicians want to ignore the problem and are fixed on their own wealth and power as is shown with the latest Turkey-Armenia protocols.

[Anoush]

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I think Artsakh should be recognised now sooner than later though, as the longer Armenia waits the harder it will be for Artsakh to claim independence. As for the reason why there is no discussion, the Armenian politicians want to ignore the problem and are fixed on their own wealth and power as is shown with the latest Turkey-Armenia protocols.

You are right! They should claim Artsakh's independence as soon as possible. I hope those Oligarchs in the Motherland start thinking more about their country and Artsakh and less about their monies, their power and themselves!

[ara87]

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If you recognize Artsakh's independence, that means it's its own country, not part of Armenia, also I don't know where people got the idea that not recognizing would make Azerbaijan look like the aggressors, but pretty much everyone thinks armenians are, or at least that we are equal in agression

[hipeter924]

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If you recognize Artsakh's independence, that means it's its own country, not part of Armenia, also I don't know where people got the idea that not recognizing would make Azerbaijan look like the aggressors, but pretty much everyone thinks armenians are, or at least that we are equal in agression

No ara that wouldn't help. If Armenia was to make Artsakh part of Armenia Azeri's would be able to easily develop propaganda around that. It's far better to have another independence referendum, recognise the independence of Artsakh and absolutely humiliate the Turks and Azeri's. Because right now the Azeri's won't recognise Armenia itself let alone Artsakh.

[AlphaPapa]

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Recognizing Artsakhs Independence is the opposite of making it a part of Armenia.

[hipeter924]

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Recognizing Artsakhs Independence is the opposite of making it a part of Armenia.

Not so actually as it can become part of Armenia later on, right now it isn't recognised at all.