Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

[bell-the-cat]

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as it shows in genocide map not even a single armenian murdered in iran

Oh well, it MUST be true, the voice of God speaks through that "genocide map".

The reality is that the genocide of Armenian Christians actually began in 1914, inside Persian territory, territory that had been captured by Turkish forces and Kurdish irregulars. But that disagrees with the over-simplistic and often propagandistic official histories. In this case I mean both Armenian, Turkish, Kurdish, Russian, and Iranian histories. Most of the killing took place in and around Urmia. I don't know about Tabriz, hence my question "What happened here during 1914?".

[bell-the-cat]

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And in the 1920s it was seriously proposed that the Armenian patriarchate should move from Etchmiadzin to the Surp Thaddeus / Karakilise monastery in Iranian territory. That implies a substantial Armenian population was still in that region - there are none at all there now. Why? What happened?

[KarotheGreat]

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And in the 1920s it was seriously proposed that the Armenian patriarchate should move from Etchmiadzin to the Surp Thaddeus / Karakilise monastery in Iranian territory. That implies a substantial Armenian population was still in that region - there are none at all there now. Why? What happened?

I'm not sure but a lot of Armenians from Iran moved to Armenia in 30's and 40's and they also moved to the bigger cities from economical and other reasons. The second part is an assumption.

[Anoush]

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The reality is that the genocide of Armenian Christians actually began in 1914, inside Persian territory, territory that had been captured by Turkish forces and Kurdish irregulars. But that disagrees with the over-simplistic and often propagandistic official histories. In this case I mean both Armenian, Turkish, Kurdish, Russian, and Iranian histories. Most of the killing took place in and around Urmia. I don't know about Tabriz, hence my question "What happened here during 1914?".

Are you sure about this? If yes, then can you substantiate it with some valid proofs? Or perhaps some literature or books you recommend. You are not saying that the Iranian government did it but the turkish forces and kurdish irregulars were the ones.

[Joseph]

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Bell is 100% correct. At the start of WWI, the area of NW Iran was a majority Tatar/Azari population by not to the extent it is now. Kurds, Assyrians, Yezdi, and Armenians were much more numerous. The Armenians and Assyrians were concentrated particularly around Khoy.

In the early stages of the war, December 1914, Ottoman forces invaded northern Iran to forment a a Turkish/Tatar/Kurdish uprising against Persia which would also thwart Russian and British war efforts and also, if successful, assit in the invasion and takeover of the Baku oil fields. The British Indian Army had divisons stationed in Iran and were engaged by these forces as were the Russians.

The combined Turk/Kurd/Tatar forces massacred wholesale the Armenian, Yezdi, and Assyrians populations.

I encourage all the readers to read about the Kurd "Simko"

[Joseph]

Re: Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

Bell is 100% correct. At the start of WWI, the area of NW Iran was a majority Tatar/Azari population by not to the extent it is now. Kurds, Assyrians, Yezdi, and Armenians were much more numerous. The Armenians and Assyrians were concentrated particularly around Khoy.

In the early stages of the war, December 1914, Ottoman forces invaded northern Iran to forment a a Turkish/Tatar/Kurdish uprising against Persia which would also thwart Russian and British war efforts and also, if successful, assit in the invasion and takeover of the Baku oil fields. The British Indian Army had divisons stationed in Iran and were engaged by these forces as were the Russians.

The combined Turk/Kurd/Tatar forces massacred wholesale the Armenian, Yezdi, and Assyrians populations.

I encourage all the readers to read about the Kurd "Simko"

Additionally, General Andranik fought extensively in the area alongside Russian forces an eventually neutralized the Turkish/ Tatar/Kurdish force, although it was a pyrhic victory, as the Armenian, Assyrians, and Yezdi were either killed, taken by the Kurds, or forced into what is not Armenia. Some ended up in Nakhichevan and were again to be uprooted.

[Anoush]

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Well thank you Joseph for the information and Bell who brought it up in the first place.

Joseph jan, where can I find the Kurdish "Simko" literature from? Or perhaps General Antranik's book which I haven't read it yet and I must.

[Joseph]

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Well thank you Joseph for the information and Bell who brought it up in the first place.

Joseph jan, where can I find the Kurdish "Simko" literature from?

You can do a cursory search on Google. I have also read some Kurdish history related to his activities. His irregular units were responsible for extensive massacres of Armenians and Assyrians and he would later fight against Persia. He was a Kurdish nationalist.

[Army]

Re: Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

Iran is a fake name, given after the revolution.

What were they (Turks) before the naming? "Turkish speaking Persians?"

Guys, that is not nationalism. You might hate Turks a lot, but facts are facts. Differences between those guys and Turkey Turks are not much bigger than the differences between post-Soviet Armenia and Diaspora.

[Joseph]

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Also, northern Iran/Persia is where Assyrians were masscred in the 100's of thousands.