Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

[Anoush]

Re: Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

You can do a cursory search on Google. I have also read some Kurdish history related to his activities. His irregular units were responsible for extensive massacres of Armenians and Assyrians and he would later fight against Persia. He was a Kurdish nationalist.

Thanks Joseph jan, I will do as you suggested. To a degree it bears similarities to the Armenian Genocide; by that I mean, the Turkish gendarmes were given the orders to kill every Armenian on site, but the Kurds helped the gendarmes and plus they looted and stole as well as killed at the time of the AG in 1915.

[Anoush]

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Also, northern Iran/Persia is where Assyrians were masscred in the 100's of thousands.

During and as you say also before the 1915 massacres, 800 thousand Christian Assyrians were also massacred along with more than 1.5 Million Armenians. Let's not forget this.

[bell-the-cat]

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Thanks Joseph jan, I will do as you suggested. To a degree it bears similarities to the Armenian Genocide; by that I mean, the Turkish gendarmes were given the orders to kill every Armenian on site, but the Kurds helped the gendarmes and plus they looted and stole as well as killed at the time of the AG in 1915.

It does not bear "similarities to the Armenian Genocide", it was part of the Armenian Genocide. However, it does not fit into the simpistic propaganda produced by so many Armenian sources (the same sources that seek to downplay the massacres and deportations that took place in western Turkey - i.e. outside the territory of "historic Armenia"). And these events completely run contrary to the Turkish propaganda with its lies about the Ottoman Empire acting defensively and being a victim. From the outset the Ottoman Empire acted aggressively and was expansionist, immediately invading the territory of its neighbours (Russia and Persia) and committing attrocities there. And, if you were to believe today's Kurdish propaganda and that produced by their European advocates, the cuddly Kurds wouldn't hurt a fly.

[bell-the-cat]

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Iran is a fake name, given after the revolution.

What were they (Turks) before the naming? "Turkish speaking Persians?"

Tartars, or Tatars, or Turks.

[Joseph]

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It does not bear "similarities to the Armenian Genocide", it was part of the Armenian Genocide. However, it does not fit into the simpistic propaganda produced by so many Armenian sources (the same sources that seek to downplay the massacres and deportations that took place in western Turkey - i.e. outside the territory of "historic Armenia"). And these events completely run contrary to the Turkish propaganda with its lies about the Ottoman Empire acting defensively and being a victim. From the outset the Ottoman Empire acted aggressively and was expansionist, immediately invading the territory of its neighbours (Russia and Persia) and committing attrocities there. And, if you were to believe today's Kurdish propaganda and that produced by their European advocates, the cuddly Kurds wouldn't hurt a fly.

It was indeed part of the Genocide. The Genocide continued also into the establishment of the Turkish Republic. Massacres of Armenians, Chaldeans, Assyrians, Yezdis by Turkish forces and irregulars occured in Anatolia, Northern Iran, Syria, Russian controlled Armenia, Artsakh, Baku, Gandzha, etc. from the beginnings of the war until '23. The masscres began in 1909, abated somewhat during ther Balkan Wars and then began again in 1914 and would continue after the Soviet takeover of Armenia in areas of Turkey and what is now Azerbaijan.

[Joseph]

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During and as you say also before the 1915 massacres, 800 thousand Christian Assyrians were also massacred along with more than 1.5 Million Armenians. Let's not forget this.

That's why I've always felt that our voices have been weak. It was a Christian Genocide. The Assyrians suffered just as much as the Armenians. It is actually incorrect to call it the "Armenian" Genocide.

[Joseph]

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Iran is a fake name, given after the revolution.

What were they (Turks) before the naming? "Turkish speaking Persians?"

Guys, that is not nationalism. You might hate Turks a lot, but facts are facts. Differences between those guys and Turkey Turks are not much bigger than the differences between post-Soviet Armenia and Diaspora.

How is Iran a fake name?
How does that differ from the change of the Ottoman Empire to Turkey? Change of regime leads to a name change.

[Icy]

Re: Come and please answer about Turks in Iran

Iran is a fake name, given after the revolution.

What were they (Turks) before the naming? "Turkish speaking Persians?"

Guys, that is not nationalism. You might hate Turks a lot, but facts are facts. Differences between those guys and Turkey Turks are not much bigger than the differences between post-Soviet Armenia and Diaspora.

So in that theory then even the illegal country "turkey" is a
fake name? It only came after the Young Turks took over.

[AlphaPapa]

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Bell, I appreciate the way you are aware of the regional history. The only way to learn what REALLY happened is to read from more than 2 perspectives, and it sounds like you're one of the few who has done so. It's so sad to see 99% of Turks, Armenians, Russians, Iranians and Europeans (British/French) to see things only as they see fit, without the whole picture.

[MrT]

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i made alot of study about why turks in iran dont hate armenians and armenians can live easily in biggest city of turks in iran (Tabriz) and even having their own place (baron avak street) and even churches
i heard and read most of turks in iran are iranians who speak turkish but of course turks live there too but i mean generally most are iranians who speak turkish especially people in tabriz have persian culture not turkish
so please i need someone who can help me about this matter to end my wonder

Simple answer: Ultra nationalism has not infected the minds of the Azeris, Persians Kurds and Armenians that live in Iran. Nationalism perhaps has. What I refer to as ultra nationalism refers to blind hatred or prejudice against those with a different culture, language religion or ethnicity. The people in this region are all closely related in all aspects. You're surprised they all get along. Well a normal human being should ask why they don't.

They speak a dialect of Azeri. The differences from that spoken are probably less than between Western and Eastern Armenian dialects. As for their origins. Well lets put it this way, the Turks of Turkey and the Azeri Turks in Iran and Azerbaijan are ethnically most closely related to neighbouring peoples. Greeks, Kurds and Armenians for the Turks, Persians, Armenians, Kurds and other Caucasian peoples for the Azeris. Does their ethnic heritage matter? No. Did it make a blind bit of difference when the Turks killed hundreds of thousands of Armenians and when the Azeris and Armenians went to war?

Its always easier to hate someone eh.