Armenian Army

[felizitation]

Originally posted by Baron Dants I don't want Nike to come to Armenia. I will become a kamikaze if they ever do approach Armenia.

The principle advantage of Armenia is that it has a qualified and educated population. Labour would be cheaper because the cost of life is cheaper, but I don't think anyone wants our government to make our country as "attractive" to foreign investment as China or Vietnam is.


And Shahumyan, armenians voted for independance. And overwhelmingly so. You still seem to be in denial.

We're talking about work, not education. If education is over developped regarding the local industries and needs, it would probably be lowered. This is economical logics, it is sad, but why do you think schools were created ? to form people to the countries needs. You need engineers ? you create engineering school ? you don't need writter ? you create very competitive examinations to pursue litterature. That is the way it goes.

Take as example what is happening now. USSR education was very great and all the population took benefit of it. It responded to USSR needs in sciences, particularly during the cold war. Armenia is over crowded of very competent physicians, mathematicians, any purpose scientists, architects..., as well as artists (because we are artists)

But the country does not have these needs, industrialy speaking. This is why, in france for instance, i have many fellows that do a phd, or work as teachers in universities, or work in nuclear sites... They escape from unemployment. They are not in Armenia, they at least have a job.

If odar entreprises should install, it would create these local needs (ingeneering, economic, marketing, commerce...), and education would continue.

Don't be so reticent, Armenia is a small country and needs work. It will never be selfsufficient. External implantations are the key for the next 10 years development.
Just look at the liquor "ararat". Ask an armenian, he would say: "this was ours, now it belongs to odar (which are French). It was very great liquor etc etc, famous etc etc". And then ? the factory was saved because it was very close to bankruptcy. People continue working like before, the factory was rebuild, the production was increased since it take benefit of the whole distribution network of a multinational. Be objective, it saved the factory.

[felizitation]

Originally posted by Shahumyan i dont see how effective "growth" figures are, since original index figures used were so low, i dont see them as a useful indication at all. As for investment, we must remember were entering (entered in some spheres) a global recession, it would be naive to suggest that Armenia would be first to get investment.

Having said that, capitalists may pull out from developed nations, and get cheap labour from Armenia and set up sweatshops, and low paid jobs, making Armenia a magnet for xxxx jobs.

Getseh Global Capitalism, its times like these i believe every member of the ANM should have had their vizner kdrats, putting political dogma over the welfare of the people

Yes/No the harts is not easy.
This whole recession periods concerns only countries strongly rooted in capitalis, seing the production slowed down. They're seeking some new markets or some new countries in which they may produce cheaper.

I'm not against this use of Armenia. The most important for people is to get work, and thus to earn some money. It will still be better than being unemployed.
The firsts years would be very hard, under payed etc... but it is the normal cycle and the sacrifice to rise the standard of life.
Social evolution will necessarly follow.

Armenia is now on competition with other countries, such as the ones in eastern europe, asia, arabic...

[xBaron Dants]

I don't want Nike to come to Armenia. I will become a kamikaze if they ever do approach Armenia.

The principle advantage of Armenia is that it has a qualified and educated population. Labour would be cheaper because the cost of life is cheaper, but I don't think anyone wants our government to make our country as "attractive" to foreign investment as China or Vietnam is.


And Shahumyan, armenians voted for independance. And overwhelmingly so. You still seem to be in denial.

i dont see how effective "growth" figures are, since original index figures used were so low, i dont see them as a useful indication at all. As for investment, we must remember were entering (entered in some spheres) a global recession, it would be naive to suggest that Armenia would be first to get investment.

Having said that, capitalists may pull out from developed nations, and get cheap labour from Armenia and set up sweatshops, and low paid jobs, making Armenia a magnet for xxxx jobs.

Getseh Global Capitalism, its times like these i believe every member of the ANM should have had their vizner kdrats, putting political dogma over the welfare of the people

[felizitation]

Originally posted by Baron Dants Once again, we seem to be having different sources of information. From what I have read, Armenia has made great progress specifically in the spheres of banking and foreign investments. I don't know what else to say.

Indeed. But "great" is not necessarly enough for any type of entreprise/investor.
You have to keep in mind that our economical and social structure is very old.

On the other hand, the whole idea is not to copy these structures, but to propose something attractive. So, why would prefer nike going to asia instead of armenia ?

[xBaron Dants]

Originally posted by felizitation Lack of investment is not only due to a relative unstable military situation, but also the lack of structure the government propose to an entreprise.
Mafia plays a role only for small entities

Structure includes transport abilities, laws, economic means (banks, insurances). If an entity to invest there, it looses the control over it belongings. Thus, only very big structures can cope with this lack of structure, since they have enough external ressources to cope with internal mis organisation.

Once again, we seem to be having different sources of information. From what I have read, Armenia has made great progress specifically in the spheres of banking and foreign investments. I don't know what else to say.

[felizitation]

Originally posted by Baron Dants Armenia has actually been found to be the ex-USSR country that has the best conditions to attract foreign investment. It also compares pretty well with other countries on the international level. We just seem to forget that some people might be unwilling to invest in a country that is still technically at war...

Lack of investment is not only due to a relative unstable military situation, but also the lack of structure the government propose to an entreprise.
Mafia plays a role only for small entities

Structure includes transport abilities, laws, economic means (banks, insurances). If an entity to invest there, it looses the control over it belongings. Thus, only very big structures can cope with this lack of structure, since they have enough external ressources to cope with internal mis organisation.

[felizitation]

Originally posted by Shahumyan What happened at Khojaly, massacres were committed on both sides remember....

excellent point danz about Diaspora not being representative of Armenian population, therefore shouldnt vote.

You have to cope with massacres during conflict periods. No one is innocent, people defend themselves or are simply cruel. That's the complexity/brutishness of human kind.

Besides, history shows that we have never been in correct relationship with the two bastards' countries. I'm talking about countries, which is a general idea, politic, state of mind and religion, rather than talking about people, in which we may always find exceptions (some turks helped armenians during the genocide, this serve the fake argument that many turks were also killed during the genocide, even if they were killed by turks themselves).

By the way, around me a lot of people is involved in helping both kharabagh (UMAF, AGBU, Da connexion, obviously - as good armenians they are - diverging from political point of view) and Armenia, providing medical machines, cattle for farmers, rebuilding schools, books etc...
These people go often in armenia, in order to size and head their project progression, are close to population since they work with them, and are highly conscious of the political situation. It's some kind of easy vulgarism to consider them as old mummies expecting big statues and museums. They are competent to make some decisions, from a political point of view I mean.

Moreover, the expectations are not the same for the spiurks and the locals. As far as I saw, armenian people don't seem to size the power/weight they have. They are like sheeps, asleep because of 70 years of stupid stalinist socialism. If spiurks to vote, elected politics will certainly be kept a watch on (je ne sais pas si cette tournure est valide, dis moi dants )

So, I'm more partisant of a global participation, maybe under certain conditions. But it should at least be possible.

[xBaron Dants]

Originally posted by felizitation

One thing that get on my nerves is the pretexte of being a young democracy. In which book was stated that we have to wait 50years (I'm exagerating) before planning investment ? Serbie, even after a destroyed economy, is structuring itself in order to attract capital. There's all about stagnation, because it serves the needs of some people.

Armenia has actually been found to be the ex-USSR country that has the best conditions to attract foreign investment. It also compares pretty well with other countries on the international level. We just seem to forget that some people might be unwilling to invest in a country that is still technically at war...

What happened at Khojaly, massacres were committed on both sides remember....

excellent point danz about Diaspora not being representative of Armenian population, therefore shouldnt vote.