Is this the end of the Diaspora?

[KanadaHye]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

Nobody said it is a easy process repatriating to Armenia. It is hard enough to move from one city to another let alone a whole country. But just because it is hard doesn't mean it can't happen. Yes, it takes sacrifice but Armenians in Armenia sacrifice also by insisting on living there and not leaving.

And it doesn't have to be absolute, one is not imprisoned after moving to Armenia, one can travel abroad, move around, etc.

The same spirit of boldness, daring, boasting and bravado that you see Armenians express, including on this forum of willing to go kill Turks left and right, and move to Western Armenian, blah blah blah, can be used to push through the difficulties and challenges of moving to Armenia and just get it done.

And to all those guys and gals who still cling to a mentality from the 19th century of "taking a sword and slashing Turks left and right", it is time to use more brains and less brawn. We have proven that we have the brawn now we have use be smart and use our brains for resolving our problems and issues, because our enemies and adversaries are getting smarter. And brains can beat muscles anytime.

That's probably not likely to happen until the standard of living where Armenians are now becomes the same as the standard of living in Armenia. Which, with the world economy the way it is shouldn't be that far away from reality.

[Kasa]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

But it requires a greeaaaat deal of sacrifice on Diaspora's behalf to both repatriate under these circumstances and to not leave afterwards.

Nobody said it is a easy process repatriating to Armenia. It is hard enough to move from one city to another let alone a whole country. But just because it is hard doesn't mean it can't happen. Yes, it takes sacrifice but Armenians in Armenia sacrifice also by insisting on living there and not leaving.

And it doesn't have to be absolute, one is not imprisoned after moving to Armenia, one can travel abroad, move around, etc.

The same spirit of boldness, daring, boasting and bravado that you see Armenians express, including on this forum of willing to go kill Turks left and right, and move to Western Armenian, blah blah blah, can be used to push through the difficulties and challenges of moving to Armenia and just get it done.

And to all those guys and gals who still cling to a mentality from the 19th century of "taking a sword and slashing Turks left and right", it is time to use more brains and less brawn. We have proven that we have the brawn now we have use be smart and use our brains for resolving our problems and issues, because our enemies and adversaries are getting smarter. And brains can beat muscles anytime.

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

Great, on the 10th anniversary, people are asking for more...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB7L6WvuYMw

Talk about mental masturbation...

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

Repatriatism is not about sacrifice its about patriotism, love your homeland, where you could keep your national identity and culture without worrying about it and raise your children without forcing them to speak mother tongue everyday. Live with your co-patriots, share the daily life and practice your national religion even by not visiting your church and etc....

Gee, thanks for the definition, but that's not what I asked...want to answer the question for him now?

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

I went over all that already go read earlier posts. Unfortunately many in the diaspora think like you and i have changed many of their minds alrerady. It doesnt take a genious to figure out what i am saying but it does take the firing of a synapse or two.

So its easier to continue making personal attacks on me from what you know about me instead of answering a simple question? You're an idiot. Go worship lenin babig if you want, what you have to say means as much as a 6 year old kids.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

I wouldn't exactly call Armenia Anti-West....

Washington will support the efforts of Armenia and Turkey in every possible way to establish normal relations, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told journalist on her way to London.

Clinton called the Oct. 10 signing of the Protocols in Zurich was a crucial event in the modern history of Armenian-Turkish relations. Armenia and Turkey expressed certain concern before the signing ceremony that would hardly bring about a breakdown of the signing. However, after the talks with Armenian Foreign Minister Edward Nalbandyan and his Turkish counterpart Ahmet Davutoglu the signing ceremony was held.

As NEWS.am already reported the signing ceremony took place in a tensed atmosphere. Turkish delegation tried to include a number of points related to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict in their final statement. According to the position of official Yerevan and international mediators, the Nagorno-Karabakh peace process and Armenia-Turkey rapprochement are not linked. After Armenian side’s protest and interference of U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, the problem was solved. In particular, both sides decided against making final statements and left immediately after the signing ceremony.

http://news.am/en/news/6358.html

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

Are you guys serious when you think a coup will do Armenia good? Think about it. Right now the economy is bad but its slowly recovering. A coup will completely destroy it. Foreign investors will want nothing to do with Armenia and pull out everything they put into Armenia. You guys are saying the coup will make Armenia pro-Russia and anti-West, guess what it already is pro-Russia and anti-west. And lets not forget about the war hungry barbarians to our east. If they see a coup in Armenia they will attack Artsakh. Serzh isnt stupid enough to give up Artsakh or any regions.
Also think about whos going to take Serzh's place if you remove him, who ter petrosian? that guys the worst person in Armenia. hes a dictator. the country was in xxxx when he was president. lets not forget how when he was running for president he had support from both turkey and azerbaijan.
even if you guys find someone it will take years and years before Armenia will improve.

[Davo88]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

Either new elections or a coup would do some good, because the situation in Armenia is nonsense...

[Catharsis]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

There will be a coup if Serzh makes any concessions on Karabakh. Outside countries don't need to back anything, the army is the important part and their relations with Serzh are getting worse and worse. Also, remember people who support Serzh are not the type to go protesting into streets and take active role. Supporters of serzh are like Dodi Gago who will sit comfortably in their mansion and care only about money and big business.

Remember, Serzh makes very few decisions alone, Armenia is a small and politically weak country. Serzh will follow first Russian and KGB outlets and then from time to time EU and US advice. Serzh maybe deep inside is against this whole thing, but he has no choice he is a puppet for the bigger powers. As president of a small country, this is what happens.

But also in Armenia nationalism is very weak. My uncle in Armenia found out about these protocols when I called him to talk about it few weeks into them. Many Armenians just want to get out of Armenia and go live in the Los Angeles they see in music videos. Everybody I talk to in Armenia is just finding a way to get out of that country and never return; this is fueled also by fact that many Armenians in Armenia have relatives in Diaspora (ehem) and hear about the good life and want to go there. With that attitude, such a situation is created.

The ideal situation would be a bloodless coup, where a government would be created which was all about reform. Which would cut the corruption, make Armenia more democratic and advance, invest in education, get us closer to EU like standards, reform police (really needed!!) and of course not turn Armenia into province of turkey. This off course is just my fantasy, but in an ideal world this would be great.

I agree with most of this Mos, you pretty much covered very important points and the situation we have now.

[Mos]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

There will be a coup if Serzh makes any concessions on Karabakh. Outside countries don't need to back anything, the army is the important part and their relations with Serzh are getting worse and worse. Also, remember people who support Serzh are not the type to go protesting into streets and take active role. Supporters of serzh are like Dodi Gago who will sit comfortably in their mansion and care only about money and big business.

Remember, Serzh makes very few decisions alone, Armenia is a small and politically weak country. Serzh will follow first Russian and KGB outlets and then from time to time EU and US advice. Serzh maybe deep inside is against this whole thing, but he has no choice he is a puppet for the bigger powers. As president of a small country, this is what happens.

But also in Armenia nationalism is very weak. My uncle in Armenia found out about these protocols when I called him to talk about it few weeks into them. Many Armenians just want to get out of Armenia and go live in the Los Angeles they see in music videos. Everybody I talk to in Armenia is just finding a way to get out of that country and never return; this is fueled also by fact that many Armenians in Armenia have relatives in Diaspora (ehem) and hear about the good life and want to go there. With that attitude, such a situation is created.

The ideal situation would be a bloodless coup, where a government would be created which was all about reform. Which would cut the corruption, make Armenia more democratic and advance, invest in education, get us closer to EU like standards, reform police (really needed!!) and of course not turn Armenia into province of turkey. This off course is just my fantasy, but in an ideal world this would be great.