Is this the end of the Diaspora?

[Anoush]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

Maaannnn.... you guys are all depressing me. I say we pick an island... any island and take it over!! WHO'S WITH ME!?!?!?!!!!

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Perhaps we should all go to Corfu and take over the turkish part of it and make it ours. We can certainly get along with our Greek brothers and they'll welcome us with open arms.

[Eddo211]

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maaannnn.... You guys are all depressing me. I say we pick an island... Any island and take it over!! Who's with me!?!?!?!!!!

x1......

[KanadaHye]

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Maaannnn.... you guys are all depressing me. I say we pick an island... any island and take it over!! WHO'S WITH ME!?!?!?!!!!

[Eddo211]

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The problem is not that Diaspora is not willing.
It is the complete inability or lack of desire from the Armenia’s leadership to implement initiatives to draw Diaspora to Armenia and act as a single voice for all Armenians.

Not even one stinking inspiring public message by our leaders………I know several who have sacrificed and returned bitter, but no less remain strong patriots.

[Anoush]

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Nobody said it is a easy process repatriating to Armenia. It is hard enough to move from one city to another let alone a whole country. But just because it is hard doesn't mean it can't happen. Yes, it takes sacrifice but Armenians in Armenia sacrifice also by insisting on living there and not leaving.

And it doesn't have to be absolute, one is not imprisoned after moving to Armenia, one can travel abroad, move around, etc.

The same spirit of boldness, daring, boasting and bravado that you see Armenians express, including on this forum of willing to go kill Turks left and right, and move to Western Armenian, blah blah blah, can be used to push through the difficulties and challenges of moving to Armenia and just get it done.

And to all those guys and gals who still cling to a mentality from the 19th century of "taking a sword and slashing Turks left and right", it is time to use more brains and less brawn. We have proven that we have the brawn now we have use be smart and use our brains for resolving our problems and issues, because our enemies and adversaries are getting smarter. And brains can beat muscles anytime.

Today's world doesn't require on the front lines but politically to be savvy and the know how; unfortunately though since we didn't rule our own country for 70+ years during soviet times, plus Western Armenia was under turkish rule since the 12th and the 13th century; therefore we were unable to have people to be educated and gain experience in world politics. We already found it out as of late; thanks to the pre-conditions imposed by turkey in the protocols.

As far as repatriating to Armenia; I already stated in my previous posts that yes it is absolutely desirable and also imperative for some or more of Diasporans to repatriate, but not everyone can do that as I stated right above.

[bell-the-cat]

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Aahh apachi, when people of Armenia took to the streets and raised their voices MER HOGHER@ MER HOGHER@ in 1965; those were the days when the people of Armenia were under the wonderful influence of the likes of Charents and Sevak that every other of their poems were about our lost lands of Western Armenia, Nakhichevan, Artsakh, Akhalkalak and Akhaltsekha. In those times, the Armenian people had those two wonderful and patriotic writers which they do not have it now, alas. Today, the Armenian youth after 70 years of Soviet regime who pretty much killed the patriotic spirit of most Armenians by not allowing historical books to be read in schools and elsewhere and they never allowed the people to be patriotic.

And 4 decades later, take to the streets and raise your voices and you will get shot, or beaten up, or arrested.
And 4 decades later, most of the "historical books to be read in schools and elsewhere" that exist are those that were published during the Soviet era, in the 1960s, 70s, and 80s - from when people cared enough about books and literature and Armenian culture to actually stand in long queues to get the latest publications hot off the presses.

[Anoush]

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It's irrational to expect all Armenians to adopt Eastern Armenia as their new homeland. What isn't irrational is to have a summer home set up there, or even a time-share. I know of some that have done so for their family (who live in the US). Progress is gradual.

Yes Alpha, I alsao heard of it. Sure, it's a good idea to have a nice summer home in Armenia and visit our homeland every now and then or sometimes live there half of the year and come back to their Diaspora house the other half of the year. It can certainly be gradually progressive that way.

[Anoush]

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Do you mean 1965 when people of Armenia took the streets of Armenia. and raise their voices: MER HOGHER@ MER HOGHER@.
Or when they build Genocide memorial in center of Yerervan.
Or do you mean 1990 when people of Armenia took the streets again and raised their voices: KHARABAGH, KHARABAGH.
Or do you mean years of fighting and defending Kharabagh and sacrificing their lives.
Or do you mean March 1, 2008 after the election of presidency nobody tried to overthrouh the government, because the respect to the Statehood of Armenia was more important for the unity of country.
Or our writers from Charentz to Sevak who brought us the very nationalistic literature even with their live s unfortunate ending.
I am not defending the soviet ruled totalitarian system, but I am not also denying what accomplishments have reached Armenia in those years is sense of our national identity, culture and history which has feed us in inside and diaspora.

Aahh apachi, when people of Armenia took to the streets and raised their voices MER HOGHER@ MER HOGHER@ in 1965; those were the days when the people of Armenia were under the wonderful influence of the likes of Charents and Sevak that every other of their poems were about our lost lands of Western Armenia, Nakhichevan, Artsakh, Akhalkalak and Akhaltsekha. In those times, the Armenian people had those two wonderful and patriotic writers which they do not have it now, alas. Today, the Armenian youth after 70 years of Soviet regime who pretty much killed the patriotic spirit of most Armenians by not allowing historical books to be read in schools and elsewhere and they never allowed the people to be patriotic. For heavens sake they even had our greatest Sevak killed and in his heyday when he had so much more promise to yet produce and give to our people.

What I'm saying is that from what I hear and read that some yes but most Armenians in there are not patriotic or patriotic enough to fight for their freedom and against the government, plus about knowing their history, they have none or very little knowledge a good number of them. Certainly not enough to know what transpired in their history, to not repeat it again with our numero uno enemies, Btw; turks and "azeris". I don't think most of our younger generation in our homeland know much about our history and when they don't, how could they be patriotic?

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

It's irrational to expect all Armenians to adopt Eastern Armenia as their new homeland. What isn't irrational is to have a summer home set up there, or even a time-share. I know of some that have done so for their family (who live in the US). Progress is gradual.

[Anoush]

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Repatriatism is not about sacrifice its about patriotism, love your homeland, where you could keep your national identity and culture without worrying about it and raise your children without forcing them to speak mother tongue everyday. Live with your co-patriots, share the daily life and practice your national religion even by not visiting your church and etc....

It's not for all Diasporans. You can't expect the Diasporans who has obligations, jobs set up to move to Armenia. It's not for everyone. Some will be able to and will and others will not. I understand that it is a good wish that it happends, but certainly Serge and Edward have not made it easy for Diasporans to do it with their defeitist actions of the protocols now underway.