Is this the end of the Diaspora?

[apachi]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

Alpha when you use Ara Baliozian as a reference you automaticaly discredit any argument you are trying to make. He has the rational of a 4 year old child and his writings prove it. So you say you would rather go live in Artsagh then Hayastan well ok then whats stoping you from doing that? By refusing to participate in what today is Hayastan you very much are discounting what we have today. You havent tried a single thing ever yet you are ready to pass judjment and discredit anything having to do with hayastan. Your mentality is exactly what divides our people. Instead of going to Hayastan and participating,geting involved with your own people and nation you automaticaly discredit any such scenerio based on what so n so said. Hayastan is all we have left and it should be treasured and nourished not discredited and avoided. There is not, never was, and probably never will be a perfect state anywhere on this earth. Every nation has serious problems and the way its people "and this means you and every other armenian" deal with such problems determines the kind of nation you have. The sooner you pull your head out of the sand the sooner you will see that there is never a better time then the present to participate in the building of your country!

Well Said, Haykakan, Very Well Said.

[KarotheGreat]

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What happened when people took Stalins invitation to repatriate to "Armenia"? They were shunned by the people and persecuted by the government. How is todays "Armenia" any different? The mafia does today what the KGB did then (not that there's a difference between the two).

These are facts.

Almost all diasporans have roots in todays nation of Turkey, NOT Armenia. The only exception are those who fled Armenia since glastnost. Almost all "Hayastancis" have roots to "western Armenia" before the genocide.

These are facts, not opinions.

I'm not trying to discount what we have today. What I am saying is that there's nothing wrong with me being true to my roots and demands, regarding nationalism, and wanting the same as Monte Melkonian, Antranig Pasha, Dro and many others, which is a repatriation of Western Armenia!

Besides, Artsakh is where I'd rather go than anywhere in Hayastan.

One last thought...does my OPINION make me less Armenian? The only type of Armenian I discriminate against is the ones with a supremacy complex. Go read some Ara Baliozian for heavens sake and learn about our real history about how much of a pawn you are to propaganda...there's not enough for me to say and I'm not going to go on the offense in that regard.

What kind of Bs are you posting? So following your logic no Armenian lived in RA and Artsakh and every one came from westen part. Let me tell you that this BS. There were enough people to have 50000 soldiers in the Russian army. And no they weren't coming from Western Armenia.

Non of your heroes would talk like our enemies are doing. Do you know why Antranig and Dro weren't living in Hayastan. it was because it had turned a SU republic. That's the only reason, those heroes are turning in their graves after this kind of Bs.

And you know what the republic of Armenia and Artsakh(which is a part of the republic) don't need a guy like you. Don't ever go there because the locals will kick your ass so hard you'll never dare to set a foot in holy Armenian land.

And you think you have the right to tell the Armenian government how it can act and call the president a traitor. The way I see it, it's the other way around. After all this Anti-Hayastan BS I've seen you have no right to even tell that the sky over Armenia is blue.

[Lucin]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

People will always find excuses to not move back to Armenia...

Not every Diasporan can move back to Armenia. We don't know what's going on in people's lives so it'd be quite unrealistic to leave a life/career behind for an unknown future in Armenia. But at least they can do the least, whatever they can.

[Haykakan]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

Alpha when you use Ara Baliozian as a reference you automaticaly discredit any argument you are trying to make. He has the rational of a 4 year old child and his writings prove it. So you say you would rather go live in Artsagh then Hayastan well ok then whats stoping you from doing that? By refusing to participate in what today is Hayastan you very much are discounting what we have today. You havent tried a single thing ever yet you are ready to pass judjment and discredit anything having to do with hayastan. Your mentality is exactly what divides our people. Instead of going to Hayastan and participating,geting involved with your own people and nation you automaticaly discredit any such scenerio based on what so n so said. Hayastan is all we have left and it should be treasured and nourished not discredited and avoided. There is not, never was, and probably never will be a perfect state anywhere on this earth. Every nation has serious problems and the way its people "and this means you and every other armenian" deal with such problems determines the kind of nation you have. The sooner you pull your head out of the sand the sooner you will see that there is never a better time then the present to participate in the building of your country!

[Anoush]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

I said it above and I shall sicinctly repeat, that by all means if half of Diasporans which are 3.5 millions in population repatriated, they will undoubtedly bring more wealth, Western and Middle-eastern countries savvy, their experiences, their patriotism, their hard earned intelligence, their social and economical knowledges and more. I am for it of course, but I also state that the government of today in RA must also change dramatically for the better. They should be much less totalitarian, less corruption and exercise more fairness, justness and yes more patriotism towards their people that form the country, their country as well as the people. Yes they can control the country and the people; but with more fairness, justness and reward the geniuses of the land by providing them good paying jobs so that they in turn will be able to give the very best to their country.

[Anoush]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

"my fellow Americans, ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
John F. Kennedy

Yes very truthful, very wise and very justified words; however people and government must work and mesh together in a more fair and a more democratic and a just fashion. In short, a government, any government must exercise fairness, justness and have democracy. A government must show great patriotism and be a good role model towards their citizens. And the people on their part should be giving, patriotic, and then they will trust and love their government and work with them hand in hand. However trust and goodwill must also come from the government and the people will follow and work and support their government.

[Catharsis]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

I would say "strong language" towards Armenians who have different opinions about the direction and future of Armenia is not called for and is WRONG no matter how you look at it.

I have not seen Alpha say something bad about Armenia, if you equate the current regime with Armenia, then guess what, you have another thing coming soon, when you are going to be sharing your living space with Turks, you will think twice about all the "great international diplomacy." They will not be the ones living with Turks, it is exactly Armenians who are in the line of fire and are expendable in their view.

[AlphaPapa]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

What happened when people took Stalins invitation to repatriate to "Armenia"? They were shunned by the people and persecuted by the government. How is todays "Armenia" any different? The mafia does today what the KGB did then (not that there's a difference between the two).

These are facts.

Almost all diasporans have roots in todays nation of Turkey, NOT Armenia. The only exception are those who fled Armenia since glastnost. Almost all "Hayastancis" have roots to "western Armenia" before the genocide.

These are facts, not opinions.

I'm not trying to discount what we have today. What I am saying is that there's nothing wrong with me being true to my roots and demands, regarding nationalism, and wanting the same as Monte Melkonian, Antranig Pasha, Dro and many others, which is a repatriation of Western Armenia!

Besides, Artsakh is where I'd rather go than anywhere in Hayastan.

One last thought...does my OPINION make me less Armenian? The only type of Armenian I discriminate against is the ones with a supremacy complex. Go read some Ara Baliozian for heavens sake and learn about our real history about how much of a pawn you are to propaganda...there's not enough for me to say and I'm not going to go on the offense in that regard.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

I don't disagree with this, but when I come across comments like Kanada Hyes or Alphas, it is rather sad. Of course there are a number of great examples of Diasporean Armenians doing awesome things for the Homeland, I just think at some point those who make excuses should be ignored and allowed to assimilate. I care more for quality than quantity. And I will say this again, the criticisms of Armenia are not wholly wrong (most of them at least), but when one complains and does not take action to redress those issues or at least plan to do something then what good is them complaining? This is what I constantly see from Alpha, I have yet to see one positive comment from him about Armenia. The fact that he went so far to call the modern RA not a part of historical Armenia, I meant wtf, where did he learn his Armenian history (if at all)? He is not far from ara balozian, and I wouldn't be suprised if he likes ara's garbage that some take as literature.

What's rather sad is that I haven't assimilated even though I would have been much further in life by now. My criticism is valid and constructive... I don't need to paint a rosy picture of the current state of our unity within our political circles and the so called Armenian "elite" in Armenia or the diaspora for that matter.

[aray]

Re: Is this the end of the Diaspora?

The barking turk doesn’t irritate me as much as some of these self haters or so called critic. I wish Armenian was posting here to call this new formed group of trash by it’s name. Can’t forget his illustrative contributions in ara xxxikian’s thread.
And most of the loudest barkers have absolutely no connection to Armenia and have done nothing or close to nothing for Armenia. I have seen many of this type. They have donated bag of beans in early 90s (if even that), which they keep mentioning for almost 20 years and now think they have been contributors enough to have a valuable saying. Enough is enough.

I don't disagree with this, but when I come across comments like Kanada Hyes or Alphas, it is rather sad. Of course there are a number of great examples of Diasporean Armenians doing awesome things for the Homeland, I just think at some point those who make excuses should be ignored and allowed to assimilate. I care more for quality than quantity. And I will say this again, the criticisms of Armenia are not wholly wrong (most of them at least), but when one complains and does not take action to redress those issues or at least plan to do something then what good is them complaining? This is what I constantly see from Alpha, I have yet to see one positive comment from him about Armenia. The fact that he went so far to call the modern RA not a part of historical Armenia, I meant wtf, where did he learn his Armenian history (if at all)? He is not far from ara balozian, and I wouldn't be suprised if he likes ara's garbage that some take as literature.