Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

[lampron]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Where can you find these fictional turcs? In your imagination.

Have you ever, ever inter-acted with turc/tatar??

we know that some Turks tried to protect Armenians in 1915.

we know that some Armenians betrayed fellow armenians to the Ottoman authorities

[lampron]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

On April 25, 1918, Kars was surrendered to Turks without resistance, as a result of which its Christian population, first of all Armenians, had to emigrate to Shirak. On October 30, 1920, troops of Mustafa Kemal occupied the city and annihilated 8000 Armenians.

yes, Kemal was responsible for mass killings not only in Kars/Igdir/Gumri but in Cilicia and Izmir. In Kars the Armenians had an army which was capable of repelling the Turks (who were also busy on the Greek front), and if they had defeated him, Kemal's reputation would have been destroyed. His supporters might have deserted him.

But this thread is about Russia.......back to the main theme

[gegev]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

I think you should drop this 'signature'. You will find Turks who, as human beings, are better than some Armenians.

Lampron be careful. The very minute you trust a typical Turk, something vital for you; you'll lose your real property; land, home and life.

[londontsi]

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X2......also why no Sukhoi or Mig for Armenia.

Why not indeed.
Do we want the Sukhoi-s and the Migs for our military parades or as targets for the S300s.

Personally I see a better use for unarmed UAVs.
Unfortunately an area where our capability may be weak.

During hostilities these would be invaluable in the theatre of war.
They could also be used for advance intelligence and supporting special missions.

They are cheaper to buy ( if you can get them) and maintain.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Let's say they give those airplanes for free or at a very very low prices. But how much will it cost to maintain it and keep it up to date. Armenia is to poor to have a real air force; our leaders know things and are investing in ways to shoot down enemy planes. Look at the last war we had two planes and the Azeris still couldn't even shoot down any one of them. But how many did we shoot down? Right now Armenia can't afford to buy high end planes but in the future with a better economy I don't see any reason why we can't buy planes.

[Tigranakert]

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Armenia should gain maximum from Russia, expert says
August 27, 2010 | 12:42

Armenia should gain maximum benefit from relations with its partners, in particular Russia, the member of public council at Armenian Defense Ministry, psychologist David Jamalyan toled the journalists on Friday. According to him, signing of the protocol amending Russian-Armenian agreement on Russian base’s deployment is a great contribution to balance of forces in the region.

“Azerbaijani agitation machine does it utmost to assure the society that nothing has changed after the Armenian-Russian protocol was signed, but it is not true. Russia took on commitment to ensure Armenia’s security and this reduces probability of hostilities’ resumption,” he noted, adding that one cannot fully rule out that war may resume.

Director of Noravank analytical center, political expert Gagik Harutunyan stressed that the agreement will enable to equip Armenian army with modern arms.

Commenting on possible Russia’s sales of S-300 air defense systems, Harutunyan said that Russia has been selling it for already 10 years but “it has not appeared in Tehran yet”.

As NEWS.am reported earlier, a protocol prolonging deployment of the Russian military base #102 was signed in Yerevan on August 20. The document was signed by the Russian Defense Minister Anatoliy Serdyukov and his Armenian counterpart Seyran Ohanyan.

Under the protocol, the military base will remain in Armenia for the next 49 years (instead of 25 years). It will also ensure Armenia’s security.

[Eddo211]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

Let's say they give those airplanes for free or at a very very low prices. But how much will it cost to maintain it and keep it up to date. Armenia is to poor to have a real air force; our leaders know things and are investing in ways to shoot down enemy planes. Look at the last war we had two planes and the Azeris still couldn't even shoot down any one of them. But how many did we shoot down? Right now Armenia can't afford to buy high end planes but in the future with a better economy I don't see any reason why we can't buy planes.

The cost of maintaining those aircraft will vary on its maintenance program recommended by its manufacturer and component replacement as they come due for inspection and overhaul. Normally when such sells happen the airplanes is accompanied with parts and ground support equipment to operate and maintain the aircraft in flying condition including all technical data such as maintenance manuals, parts lists, weight and balance data, armament and disarmament info, etc.

More specialized parts or components that do not come with the aircraft must be made available to the buyer upon request per sells contract (such as flight controls, engines, certain avionics,…) as required. There must also be communication between the operator (Armenian Airforce) and manufacturer’s technical representatives (Mig, Sukhoi) in case of technical issues beyond normal troubleshooting techniques.

Armenia already has some experienced technicians and pilots who will have to get additional training and familiarization with the new aircraft and its systems. This normally will include classroom training and hands on experience. Pilots will have additional flight training to demonstrate the characteristics, performance, and capabilities of their jet to their instructor before getting their wings. By upgrading these individuals to an higher end aircraft leaves a void on their prior assignments that now can be filled by other crewmembers moving up through the system.

Increasing Armenian Airforce caliber also opens doors for more civilian contractor jobs and a higher recruitment numbers within the Aviation military industry. It might even give a boost to Armenia’s civilian aviation industry that is almost none existent which in turn can increase the pilot/technician/engineer pools and other specialized positions that is inherent to the industry which in turn gives more opportunities to the young Armenians who Have aviation blood in them.

Aviation is an investment in the future and brings all types of opportunities that a none aviation oriented politican cannot see its massive benefits (besides defence) on the surface.

[hrai]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

we know that some Turks tried to protect Armenians in 1915.

we know that some Armenians betrayed fellow armenians to the Ottoman authorities

I am sick to the stomach of people mentioning a handful of turcs trying/helping in 1915.

HAVE YOU EVER INTERACTED WITH TURCS?????

[gegev]

Re: Is Russia an ally or foe, nowadays?

The cost of maintaining those aircraft will vary on its maintenance program recommended by its manufacturer and component replacement as they come due for inspection and overhaul. Normally when such sells happen the airplanes is accompanied with parts and ground support equipment to operate and maintain the aircraft in flying condition including all technical data such as maintenance manuals, parts lists, weight and balance data, armament and disarmament info, etc.

More specialized parts or components that do not come with the aircraft must be made available to the buyer upon request per sells contract (such as flight controls, engines, certain avionics,…) as required. There must also be communication between the operator (Armenian Airforce) and manufacturer’s technical representatives (Mig, Sukhoi) in case of technical issues beyond normal troubleshooting techniques.

Armenia already has some experienced technicians and pilots who will have to get additional training and familiarization with the new aircraft and its systems. This normally will include classroom training and hands on experience. Pilots will have additional flight training to demonstrate the characteristics, performance, and capabilities of their jet to their instructor before getting their wings. By upgrading these individuals to an higher end aircraft leaves a void on their prior assignments that now can be filled by other crewmembers moving up through the system.

Increasing Armenian Airforce caliber also opens doors for more civilian contractor jobs and a higher recruitment numbers within the Aviation military industry. It might even give a boost to Armenia’s civilian aviation industry that is almost none existent which in turn can increase the pilot/technician/engineer pools and other specialized positions that is inherent to the industry which in turn gives more opportunities to the young Armenians who Have aviation blood in them.

Aviation is an investment in the future and brings all types of opportunities that a none aviation oriented politican cannot see its massive benefits (besides defence) on the surface.

Armenia intends to design a pilotless aircraft, a high ranking official in aviation informed off-record. According to him, the program launch on design of pilotless aircrafts in Armenia will be of major significance to the ...

In 1992 Armenia started R&D in military applications of the Laser technology. We had/have experienced scientific personnel and infrastructure in the area: since USSR.

Now the laser military kits nstalled in the pilotless aircrafts, in case of war, would enable Armenian army to target Azeri military warehouses (full of ammunition), air bases, oil/gas petrol pipes/reservoirs/warehouses etc., ensuring our advantage in short range war: given we didn’t “surrender”, by that time, the Artsakh security zone: ancient Armenian land.

By the way the laser technology future developments worldwide may result in arms that can be compared with nuke technology: this is the future for small states to try to gain advantage/superiority in terms of military power, especially for the small countries like Armenia, because they wouldn't be allowed to produce nuclear weapons.

I wander if Kirk Kirkoryan wouldn’t be willing to invest in Armenian military equipment producing industry; thus erecting an everlasting monument for his country in his honor. By the way, you know, this is the production type with highest return on invested capital in the world.

If financed properly and our scientists are brought back to homeland all over the world; we can produce everything one can imagine. Eddo producing aircrafts (other military equipment, just look at Iran ...) isn’t a wishful thinking, I agree, just we lack the organizers and investors. Remember that in Turkey we had a lot of rich people that were reluctant to invest in arms purchase for Armenian army to get rid of AG. And they lost everything; their money, land, home and beloved family. I hope the history lessons are learned properly; this time.

[Haykakan]

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Actually producing a aircraft is very complicated and expensive. Even boing does not produce the entire aircraft in America.