Recognition of Armenian Genocide by USA

[levon]

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Armenians exterminated over 2 million Azerbaijanians and Turks,” the document reads. Azerbaijani MPs are also confident that resolution wil be rejected by the U.S. Congress.

Holly-crap. What kind of diplomat will actually say something so ridiculous. It's as if the Azeris are disparately trying to discredit themselves to the point that nobody will take them seriously.

[Federate]

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Or even in Armenia. It would be much better to have Armenian congressmen, just look at how many jooish ones are there.

The ANCA is a means for Armenians running in politics including congress to get recognition. So not all the money is going to waste though I agree there might be better ways to manage it.

[Armanen]

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Why do Armenians in America keeping trying to pass this bill when they know the J3wish lobby is against it? The definition of insanity... trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Had they spent all this time and money over the generations to build a stronger diaspora, we could have spawned young Armenians who would have gotten into positions of law, academics, media, govenment and could have crushed the opposition by now.

Or even in Armenia. It would be much better to have Armenian congressmen, just look at how many jooish ones are there.

[ninetoyadome]

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looks like the azeris are uspet

Azerbaijani Parliament appealed to U.S. Congress
18:24 / 03/05/2010


Azerbaijani Parliament adopted an appeal to the U.S. Congress in connection with approval of Genocide Resolution by House Committee on Foreign Affairs. According to Trend News, appeal was drafted by working group headed by Samad Seyidov –chairman of the Milli Majlis standing committee on international relations and inter-parliamentary relations.

In the declaration of protest, Azerbaijani MPs express regret about Genocide Resolution passing.

“In fact Armenian Genocide is figment of sick imagination. Armenian nationalists are not interested in studying of documents on 1915 events, as they take interest in spreading false rumors instead of revealing historical record. Armenians exterminated over 2 million Azerbaijanians and Turks,” the document reads. Azerbaijani MPs are also confident that resolution wil be rejected by the U.S. Congress.

March 4, U.S. House Committee on Foreign Affairs approved Armenian Resolution by a vote of 23 to 22.

In response, Turkey recalled its Ambassador Namik Tan from U.S. for consultations.

A.G.

the US should watch out, you dont want to upset the azeris, they'll start claiming you stole land from them, stole there nonexistent culture, they'll threaten war with you and never actually attack. The US is in quite a pickle here.
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Azerbaijan likely to withdraw Ambassador from U.S.
14:29 / 03/05/2010


Azerbaijan should bring up the issue of recalling its Ambassador from U.S to the Government and Foreign Ministry, Azerbaijani MP Gudrat Hasanguliyev stated commenting on the adoption of Armenian Genocide Resolution by the U.S. House Committee on Foreign Affairs.

According to him, Baku should take appropriate measures in response to the U.S. Congressmen’s decision. Besides, the fact that U.S. does not appoint an Ambassador to Azerbaijan for a while is a display of disrespect to Azerbaijan.

“The protraction of the Ambassador’s appointment has concrete political goals. U.S. uses it as a tool to pressurize Azerbaijan,” the Parliamentarian said.

As NEWS.am reported previously, March 4, the U.S. House Committee on Foreign Affairs adopted Armenian Genocide Resolution. After discussing it for several hours, the Committee approved Armenian Resolution by a vote of 23 to 22.

L.A.

Oh no, whos gonna spread the anti-Armenian bullxxxx now?

[KanadaHye]

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Why do Armenians in America keeping trying to pass this bill when they know the J3wish lobby is against it? The definition of insanity... trying the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Had they spent all this time and money over the generations to build a stronger diaspora, we could have spawned young Armenians who would have gotten into positions of law, academics, media, govenment and could have crushed the opposition by now.

[Armanen]

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Yeah I know, but I mean today as off right now after the current events. I am referring to the danger that would be (and currently is a likely and growing possibility) to have both Turkey and Azerbaijan united by rage looking at Armenia with hateful eyes and ideas of revenge. That can be no good for Armenia both at a short term and a long term periods, tensions are high and will be high in the coming times and we must strengthen our positions now in every sense...as to me respects, I am quite worried because of that. I am now just hoping that Turkey is as reliable an serious as Azerbaijan is when it comes to make threats and taking 'measures'...

It's safe to say that you shouldn't worry. Neither, azerbaijan nor turkey is stupid enough to attack Armenia, it would cause a major war, and very likely change the political landscape of the entire region, which wouldn't better either nations lot.

The only thing I see happening is anti-Armenian feeling within turkey resulting in attacks on Armenians and/or their properties.

[Federate]

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Yes, this is a good time to pass this motion. America's top three (four with Clinton) all have a track record of accepting the AG on more than one occassion and the xxxs and Turks are not kissing each other's asses as much.

[ara87]

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I think there has never been a better year for the congress to at least pass this resolution. The congress has a a majority of democrats who are worried with this new wave of conservatism, that they will lose their seats and control of washington. If enough people actually call and write their congressmen and congresswomen, to ask them to vote yes, it just might be enough to swing the vote our way, because even if you can't get the member to vote yes, if enough people abstain, instead of saying no, it betters the odds.

For example, there were 5 members from Texas; 3 which voted no, 1 that voted yes, and 1 that abstained.


Ted Poe-No
Gene Green-Yes
Sheila Jackson Lee- abstain
Michael T McCaul-no
Ron Paul-No

If Sheila Jackson Lee voted "No" the vote would have been tied. If the other 3 members who voted "No" simply abstained, the vote would have been 23 yes and 19 no votes, instead of 23 to 22


It really doesn't take much effort, the last time this happened, it took one phone call for one rep to say he would vote yes, but unfortunately it got shelved, we also had others who said they would abstain.

If you go to http://www.capwiz.com/anca/issues/al...ertid=14355131 you can look up your representative, and email/fax/call them, and tell them to vote "yes"

This also works best if you bombard both their state office and DC office with calls and letters. It also works better if you get odars to call in, last time I got 50 odars from work to call their reps, if every Armenian actually did this, we'd get alot more accomplished, maybe at least have a glimmer of hope that it could pass the house.

If it does pass the house (it already did once), I don't think Obama will be to quick to kill it, seeing as he realizes everyone is mad at him for not bringing the changes he promised fast enough. Also, Iraq is over next year, and Afghanistan is led by NATO forces, not American ones, so even if Turkey is mad at us, they can't screw over the rest of NATO

[KanadaHye]

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ADL won't back US resolution recognizing Armenian genocide
michal lando, jerusalem post correspondent

Foxman: By siding with the Armenians, "we risk important relationships that are important to the J3wish community worldwide."



Despite the Anti-Defamation League's reversal this week of its longstanding refusal to recognize the massacre of Armenians at the hands of Ottoman Turks almost 90 years ago as genocide, it has stopped short of supporting a resolution currently before Congress that calls on the Bush administration to give it formal recognition. Talking to The Jerusalem Post on Wednesday, ADL National Director Abraham Foxman said: "Most j3ws understand it's a very difficult choice. There's very little I can do [for the Armenians, who can't be brought back to life]." "[But] I can put at jeopardy [ties with Turkey]," he said. By siding with the Armenians, "we put at risk some very important relationships that are important to the j3wish community worldwide," because it could endanger the Turkish j3wish community and relations between Israel and Turkey, Foxman said. Foxman's earlier refusal to change the ADL stance sparked division within the organization last week, when Foxman fired New England regional director Andrew Tarsy for his public recognition of the Armenian genocide.

Two other members of the ADL's regional board - Boston City Council member Mike Ross and former Polaroid Corp chairman Stewart Cohen - resigned in protest. Foxman said he reversed the ADL's position because "what I was seeing in Boston was the j3wish community being ripped apart." It was "a gesture to try to save our unity." Following the resignation of the two board members, several Boston-based j3wish organizations - including the Combined j3wish Philanthropies, the Russian Community Association of Massachusetts, the Hillel Council of New England, the Bureau of j3wish Education, and the David Project Center for j3wish Leadership - signed a petition to support Tarsy and to recognize the genocide.

"I think he saw this issue dividing the j3wish community in a very significant and potentially harmful way," said Steven Grossman, a former ADL board member and ex-AIPAC chairman. "He recognized potentially losing the moral high ground they have occupied for so many years, and relations with other communities possibly eroding." The "rock solid unanimity" of Boston's j3wish community paved the way for Foxman's change of heart, Grossman said. "Such unified and highly charged emotional consensus that failure to call this genocide, when most historians have referred to it as genocide, became an untenable position," Grossman said.

"Considering the potential damage to ADL's effectiveness, it was impossible to maintain their long-held position." Nancy Kaufman, the executive director of the j3wish Community Relations Council of Greater Boston, also welcomed Foxman's reversal. "We think it's terrific," Kaufman said. "The willingness to change his position is admirable and surprising, and we are delighted here that it happened." The New England Regional ADL met Wednesday, and was expected to approve a resolution calling for Tarsy to return as regional director. Although it welcomed the ADL's decision to use the genocide label, the Armenian National Committee of America called the organization's continued opposition to the Congressional resolution a "gesture intended to appease the Turkish government." Boston-based j3wish organizations continued to back the resolution.

"I think ADL should support the congressional bill. As much as I understand taking into consideration relations between Israel and Turkey, this is something you have to do even though it's politically difficult," said Samuel Mendales, director of Hillel Council of New England. Other j3wish groups, however, refrained from supporting the resolution. Earlier this year, the ADL - along with the American j3wish Committee, B'nai B'rith International and the j3wish Institute for National Security Affairs - opposed the legislation in a letter sent to congressional leaders. "We've said this before - the issue is best resolved by the interested parties not by a third party," said Kenneth Bandler, AJC communications director. "It's not going to be helpful for an arm of the US government to lay in with a resolution declaring genocide." Hilary Leila Krieger contributed to this report.

http://www.jpost.com/J3wishWorld/J3w....aspx?id=72968

[ashot24]

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At least we can count on the Catalonians.

They are by far one of the most culturalized peoples of Spain and they themselves suffered genocide, mostly cultural genocide, but genocide at the end.