Recognition of Armenian Genocide by USA

[Jos]

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I'm actually really concerned about what can come out of this. I don't say I am happy too, I totally back up this decision and I this is a good slap in the face of denialist Turkey to show them that you can't hide a lie forever...it will come out to light and shine.

But I mean, we have experience on what happens when ultra-nationalist Turks face this kind of situations, I am worried about the Armenians living in Istanbul and Turkey in general...those motherxxxxers can take actions against our brothers and sisters (just like the Azeries did when NK asked for reunification with Armenia, one week later...Sumgait) and start pogroms against us, kick every Armenian out of Turkey specially those who are undocumented, they would be treated like dogs, or idk...and the government or the police, nobody would do anything to stop it...instead Erdogan would be the first one racing against Armenians.

I am actually quite concerned. I have a mixed feelings situation

It's a storm in a tea cup. The US congress is feigning interest in the Armenian cause and Turkish politicians will feign anger back. It's highly unlikely that the actual bill will get passed in the forseeable future because the US is very good at protecting its own interests irrespective of moral cause. And they need Turkey's goodwill right know for Iraq, peacekeeping in Afganistan, economic sanctions on Iran, $10 billion trade ($3.5 billion surplus to US - mostly military spending) etc.

Just wait and see, both the protocols and resolution are going nowhere. At least a lot of Armenians will be happy about the first one.

[Armanen]

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I'm actually really concerned about what can come out of this. I don't say I am happy too, I totally back up this decision and I this is a good slap in the face of denialist Turkey to show them that you can't hide a lie forever...it will come out to light and shine.

But I mean, we have experience on what happens when ultra-nationalist Turks face this kind of situations, I am worried about the Armenians living in Istanbul and Turkey in general...those motherxxxxers can take actions against our brothers and sisters (just like the Azeries did when NK asked for reunification with Armenia, one week later...Sumgait) and start pogroms against us, kick every Armenian out of Turkey specially those who are undocumented, they would be treated like dogs, or idk...and the government or the police, nobody would do anything to stop it...instead Erdogan would be the first one racing against Armenians.

I am actually quite concerned. I have a mixed feelings situation

No, if they did something like that it would only show the world, and those few people who doubt the AG, that turkey is the same as it was 100 years ago. In a sick way it would be a plus for our cause, even though some Armenians in turkey would be killed. Yet, I don't expect the AG bill to go to the full House nor do I expect turkey to start killings of Armenians within their borders.

[ashot24]

Re: Recognition of Armenian Genocide by USA

I'm actually really concerned about what can come out of this. I don't say I am happy too, I totally back up this decision and I this is a good slap in the face of denialist Turkey to show them that you can't hide a lie forever...it will come out to light and shine.

But I mean, we have experience on what happens when ultra-nationalist Turks face this kind of situations, I am worried about the Armenians living in Istanbul and Turkey in general...those motherxxxxers can take actions against our brothers and sisters (just like the Azeries did when NK asked for reunification with Armenia, one week later...Sumgait) and start pogroms against us, kick every Armenian out of Turkey specially those who are undocumented, they would be treated like dogs, or idk...and the government or the police, nobody would do anything to stop it...instead Erdogan would be the first one racing against Armenians.

I am actually quite concerned. I have a mixed feelings situation

[Tigranakert]

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A slap in the face for Turkey. A warning for what could happen if they do not accept the protocals, interesting times to come!

[KanadaHye]

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U.S. panel backs Armenian genocide declaration

A U.S. congressional panel has approved a resolution declaring the Ottoman-era killing of Armenians genocide.

In Turkey, the government said it was recalling its ambassador from Washington in response.

The U.S. foreign affairs committee endorsed the resolution with a 23-22 vote Thursday, even though the Obama administration had urged Congress not to offend Turkey by approving it.

The resolution now goes to the full House, where prospects for passage are uncertain.

In April, Obama broke a campaign promise to brand the killing of 1.5 million Armenians by the Ottoman Turks as genocide. Obama said that while he had not changed his personal views, he did not want to upset promising talks between Turkey and Armenia on improving relations and opening their border.

The Thursday vote by the congressional committee could alienate Turkey, which plays an important role for U.S. interests in the Middle East and Afghanistan.

Mike Hammer, a National Security Council spokesman, said in a statement that U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton had spoken with foreign affairs committee chairman Howard Berman on Wednesday and indicated that "further congressional action could impede progress on normalization of relations" between Turkey and Armenia.


Prospects in House uncertain

Hammer would not specify whether Clinton urged Berman to cancel Thursday's hearing or to vote against the resolution.

Still, Berman urged fellow members of the committee to approve the resolution. The committee appeared likely to endorse it, sending it to the full U.S. House of Representatives, where its prospects are uncertain.

"The Turks say passing this resolution could have terrible consequences for our bilateral relationship, and indeed perhaps there will be some consequences," Berman said. "But I believe that Turkey values its relations with the United States at least as much as we value our relations with Turkey."

The U.S. relies on Turkey as a key supply route for American troops in Iraq and Turkey's troops serve in the U.S.-led coalition forces in Afghanistan. The U.S. is also pressing Turkey, which holds a rotating seat in the UN Security Council, to support sanctions against Iran, Turkey's neighbour.

Hammer said Obama called President Abdullah Gul on Wednesday to express his appreciation for Turkey's efforts to normalize relations with Armenia.

Hammer said Obama called President Abdullah Gul on Wednesday to express his appreciation for Turkey's efforts to normalize relations with Armenia.

The Foreign Affairs Committee approved a similar genocide measure in 2007, but it was not brought to the House floor for a vote following intensive pressure by George W. Bush, the president at the time.


First genocide of 20th century

Following the 2007 committee vote, Turkey promptly recalled its ambassador, and U.S. officials feared the Turks might cut off American access to a Turkish air base essential to operations in Iraq. After intensive lobbying by top Bush administration officials, the resolution was not considered.

U.S. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she will wait to see the result of the committee vote before deciding whether to bring the resolution before the full House.

Armenian-American groups have for decades sought congressional affirmation of the killings as genocide. The killings around the time of the First World War is an event widely viewed by scholars as the first genocide of the 20th century. Turkey says the toll has been inflated and those killed were victims of civil war and unrest, not genocide.

In October, Turkey and Armenia signed an agreement to normalize relations, but Turkey has yet to ratify it.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...menia-usa.html

[Mos]

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I really don't care because this thing is not going to pass. Obama, Clinton, Zionists, xxx Lobby, Turk Lobby will very successfully defeat this before it comes to a vote. US is a country of hypocrisy if you haven't noticed.

[Anoush]

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One of the the members actually declined to vote therefore I edited my post. Don`t know who it was. In any case, the resolution passed.

Yes Yes the House Foreign Affairs Committee passed for the Resolution with 23 yes and 22 no votes. Now it will go to the House of Representatives.

I hope Obama will stand with the Armenians now and let the AG Resolution be passed by Congress.

[Alexandros]

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(Corbis)
Armenian orphans in Constantinople, now known as Istanbul, board a ship bound for Greece. The ship was laid on during World War One by Near East Relief, an American charity


Turkey recalls ambassador after US vote on Armenia 'genocide'

From Times Online

March 4, 2010

David Byers

Turkey recalled its ambassador to Washington tonight after a congressional panel voted to label the massacre of Armenians in the First World War as "genocide", in developments that threatened to poison relations between the US and its closest Muslim ally.

Despite pressure to drop the matter by the Obama administration, the House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee voted 23-22 to approve the resolution, which calls on the US to formally refer to the massacre as genocide. The vote means that the resolution - which is non-binding - is now cleared for consideration by the full House.

Turkey had warned that its ties with the United States, and attempts to normalise relations with Armenia, would be damaged if the resolution were approved. Turkey and Armenia signed a protocol last year to normalise relations but it has yet to pass through the parliament of either country.

In a last-ditch attempt to avoid a vote, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton telephoned Howard Berman, the House Foreign Affairs Committee chairman, a fellow Democrat, to highlight the potential fallout.

Despite the appeal, Mr Berman went ahead with the debate. He said Turkey was a “vital” ally but “nothing justifies Turkey’s turning a blind eye to the reality of the Armenian genocide.”

Turkey accepts that many Christian Armenians were killed by Ottoman forces but strongly denies that up to 1.5 million died and that it amounted to genocide - a term employed by many Western historians and some foreign parliaments.

In a statement issued after the vote, a Turkish government spokesman said: “We condemn this resolution which accuses the Turkish nation of a crime it has not committed. Following this development, our ambassador to Washington, Namik Tan, was recalled to Ankara for consultations.”

Armenia, however, described the vote as a boost for human rights. Edward Nalbandian, the Armenian Foreign Minister, told Reuters: “We highly appreciate the decision. This is further proof of the devotion of the American people to universal human values and is an important step towards the prevention of crimes against humanity."

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[Eddo211]

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Here we go again, Turkey recalls its Ambassador from US.

I like what Al Jazeera has done in there article


Turkey says that the Armenian death toll has been inflated [EPA]



BTW, they seem to be taking our side.
more often lately.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/03/201034205657248619.html

[Alexandros]

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One of the the members actually declined to vote therefore I edited my post. Don`t know who it was. In any case, the resolution passed.