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  • Future Referendum Artsakh

    YEREVAN (RFE/RL)–Armenia has officially responded to international mediators’ recently modified plan to end the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, an aide to President Serzh Sarkisian said on Thursday.


    The American, French and Russian co-chairs of the OSCE Minsk Group announced in January that they have developed an “updated version” of the basic principles of a Karabakh settlement. They have still not disclosed changes made in a document that was formally submitted the conflicting parties in Madrid late 2007.

    The Armenian and Azerbaijani presidents are understood to have discussed the updated Madrid document at their January 25 talks in Russia hosted by President Dmitry Medvedev. Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov Serzh Sarkisian and Ilham Aliyev agreed to “prepare their own concrete ideas and formulations” on their remaining disagreements.

    According to Garnik Isagulian, Sarkisian’s representative to the Armenian parliament and former national security adviser, the Armenian side has already sent relevant proposals to the mediators. But he said he is unaware of their content.

    “Armenia has submitted its concrete proposals, whereas the president of Azerbaijan, according to our information, has still not made any proposals,” Isagulian told a news conference.

    Azerbaijani Foreign Minister Elmar Mammadyarov said on Wednesday that Baku has already accepted the Minsk Group’s modified peace proposals “with some exceptions.” “We want to find out the Armenian side’s opinion about the amended document, and for that purpose I will meet the Minsk Group co-chairs [in Paris] on March 5,” he said, according to Azerbaijani media.

    In a recent interview with the Euronews TV channel, Aliyev again claimed that the mediators’ peace proposals are “based on restoration of the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.” “Azerbaijan will never agree to independence of Nagorno-Karabakh, or to any kind of mechanisms or procedures which will eventually lead to secession,” he said.

    Armenian leaders insist that the proposed agreement does include such a mechanism. They say one of the basic principles upholds the Karabakh Armenians’ right to formalize the disputed region’s secession from Azerbaijan in a future referendum.
    The Armenian government tries to include a mechanism to vote for independence in a ''future'' referendum, Azerbaijan tries to avoid this mechanism.

    Is it not dangerous to play this game, accepting such proposals which vaguely state that Artsakh can vote for independence somewhere in the ''future'', when all the Azeris have returned? We should not fail in diplomacy.

    Armenia should only accept a proposal which states that Nagorno-Karabakh is already an independent state. Only some regions around Karabakh should get the chance to ''vote for independence'' in the future.

    Doesn't Armenia have the diplomatic means to involve the Nakhichevan issue in these protocols? This could give us more leverage.

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    Re: Future Referendum Artsakh

    This should have been done right after the war when Azerbaijan was politically and militarily very week. It was the incompetent Petrosyan's fault this didn't happen. It will take convincing or give something in order to get a referendum in the peace plan. For example, giving Azeri's a land corridor to Naxhijevan for Lachin corridor and the referendum. Or making Nagorno Karabakh a republic for both Azeris and Armenians though that could just spark another war.
    Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
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    "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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      If we give something, we should not get a referendum, but strive to the immediat recognition of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic. With a ''fake'' referendum, the Azeris will find something to block this in the future, it is very dangerous and will lead us to the same situation we began with.

      Therefore, is it real for Armenia to involve the Nakhichevan question in these protocols, to have more leverage?

      The best thing we can do is to demand the recognition of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic with Lachin, whereas the regions outside of Nagorno-Karabakh can decide in a future referendum if they want to join Nagorno-Karabakh or not. After international recognition of Nagorno-Karabakh, we must provoke a new war and retake these lands.

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        Re: Future Referendum Artsakh

        I do not understand how a country that won a war it did not start can even think about making concessions.
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          Re: Future Referendum Artsakh

          So you guys think a resolution on Artsakh will be done in 2010?

          In any case, Artsakhi people has already proved their wish to not be part of Azerbaijan EVER AGAIN, so any "future referendum" to be done shouldn't even include that as an option. The only options of such referendum should be:
          a) Reunify with Armenia
          b) Proclamation as an independent state
          and both of them including the Lachin corridor as our territory. (This in the supposed situation we cede the regions surrounding the former NKAO, in which case they must return to us the regions of Martuni, Martakert and Shahumyan they occupy.)

          Besides, any of these options taken must be accepted by the government of NKR as well, reason why they must be immediately included in the negotiation process so they can take the final decision, because any decision is up to them.
          Last edited by ashot24; 03-06-2010, 04:24 PM.

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            Re: Future Referendum Artsakh

            Originally posted by Federate View Post
            I do not understand how a country that won a war it did not start can even think about making concessions.
            If it wasn't for bigger powers sticking their dirty noses in it, the winner will be dictating conditions (concessions is a sick joke) and also reacting with convincing force to the threats of invasion.....a loong time ago.
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              Re: Future Referendum Artsakh

              Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
              If it wasn't for bigger powers sticking their dirty noses in it, the winner will be dictating conditions (concessions is a sick joke) and also reacting with convincing force to the threats of invasion.....a loong time ago.
              This is not true. The Azeri side for a while now believes it has the upper hand as far as militery strength is concerned. They were so convinced that they were going to prove it by attacking kharabagh right after the georgian crisis. The only reason they did not attack was because they saw what Russia does to those who disobey it. In this case the bigger power sticking its nose in our business prevented a potential devastating war or atleast delayed it anyhow. Armenia is in no position to dictate to anyone by itself.
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                Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
                This is not true. The Azeri side for a while now believes it has the upper hand as far as militery strength is concerned. They were so convinced that they were going to prove it by attacking kharabagh right after the georgian crisis. The only reason they did not attack was because they saw what Russia does to those who disobey it. In this case the bigger power sticking its nose in our business prevented a potential devastating war or atleast delayed it anyhow. Armenia is in no position to dictate to anyone by itself.

                If the situation were just Armenia vs. azerbaijan with no outside actors, Armenia would dictate to azerbaijan. The azeri's can't win a war with us, if they had started one they would have likely lost more land and the very existence of their sh*t dictatorship would have been on the brink of collapse. The last thing they aliyev clan wants is a war, they are making too much money to risk losing their positions of power, which is exactly what would happen should they embark on another war.
                For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



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