Armenian-Greek relations

[lampron]

How much has Armenia benefited from Greece politically and economically?
Have Greek businessmen brought any investment and jobs to Armenia since independence?
We can't expect anything for the future, because Greece with its government almost bankrupt, is probably the new 'sick' man of Europe.
It was reported that 100 Turkish businessmen arrived in Athens yesterday.
Greeks may be hoping that Turkish money will revive their economy.
Such a scenario would be unthinkable 5 years ago

[lampron]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

Another interesting question is this.

If Greece and Greek Cyprus draw closer to Turkey in the coming years, is that beneficial or unhelpful to Armenia?

Politically Greek support to Armenia has not been that strong in the past. That is because Greeks have been living in fear of Turkey. Turkish aircraft for many years have violated Greek airpsace and Greece has hoped that the EU and NATO 'umbrella' will keep it safe from attack.

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

Another interesting question is this.

If Greece and Greek Cyprus draw closer to Turkey in the coming years, is that beneficial or unhelpful to Armenia?

Politics is never a zero sum game.

Politically Greek support to Armenia has not been that strong in the past.

I see a contradiction here.

If Greek support "has not been that strong " then Armenia does not have a lot to loose.

I do not necessarily agree with your statement.

That is because Greeks have been living in fear of Turkey. Turkish aircraft for many years have violated Greek airpsace and Greece has hoped that the EU and NATO 'umbrella' will keep it safe from attack.

Turkey has claims in the Aegean sea, mainly I think due to possible oil deposits there.

Hardly a recipe for removal of mutual suspicions.

Yes they are trying to have stronger economic ties.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

The Greeks are not scared by Turkey. For a small nation like greece, they have a HUGE navy and an excellent Air Force. By the way, most of the dogfights in the air are won by Greeks. Greece will recover, no worries. I do not think it wil have a direct impact on Armenia.

[lampron]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

The Greeks are not scared by Turkey. For a small nation like greece, they have a HUGE navy and an excellent Air Force. By the way, most of the dogfights in the air are won by Greeks. Greece will recover, no worries. I do not think it wil have a direct impact on Armenia.

I agree they have a strong navy and air force but whereas Turkish warplanes regularly fly over Greek islands, Greek military aircraft have not flown over Turkish territory.

A few years ago during a flight by the Greek defense Minister to Cyprus Turkish warplanes suddenly appeared and escorted the Greek Minister's plane all the way to Cyprus!

So Greece's approach to Armenia and Karabakh has been extremely cautious.

Anyone know what Greece's relations are with Azerbaijan?

[lampron]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

I see a contradiction here.

If Greek support "has not been that strong " then Armenia does not have a lot to loose.

correct! Did I say Armenia had a lot to lose?

I do not necessarily agree with your statement.

feel free to explain why

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

correct! Did I say Armenia had a lot to lose?

Perhaps I was anticipating !

feel free to explain why

In the Military area there exist various agreements.
Armenian Officers train in Greek Military Academies.
Armenian troops (a platoon) operate within the Greek Battalion in Kosovo.
I understand there is also an agreement for technical cooperation.

In the economic field two major investments come to mind.
OTE Telecommunications which was not successful mainly because corruption was at the core of this agreement (by the Armenian side).
The other, Coca-cola Hellenic Bottling plant appears to be more successful investment.

Politically Greece has been supportive from with the EU, also has recognised the Armnian Genocide.


Therefore you assertion that Greece is scared of Turkey and because of that does not support Armenia does not hold water.

[lampron]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

In the Military area there exist various agreements.
Armenian Officers train in Greek Military Academies.
Armenian troops (a platoon) operate within the Greek Battalion in Kosovo.

these are fairly low key compared with Armenia's military arrangements with countries like Belarus,Tajikistan etc in CSTO and may bring as much, or more, benefits to Greece than Armenia (the prestige of having a foreign unit under their command)

In the economic field two major investments come to mind.
OTE Telecommunications which was not successful mainly because corruption was at the core of this agreement (by the Armenian side).
The other, Coca-cola Hellenic Bottling plant appears to be more successful investment.

total investments relatively small. You will find that Greek companies are far more active in countries like Macedonia (fyrom) and Albania which are considered unfriendly to Greece, as well as Bulgaria and even Turkey. Corruption in Armenia or Greece?

Politically Greece has been supportive from with the EU, also has recognised the Armnian Genocide.

it has recognized the Armenian genocide? what courage!

At the 1996 OSCE Lisbon summit it voted against Armenia

Therefore you assertion that Greece is scared of Turkey and because of that does not support Armenia does not hold water.

scared? More like terrified (of risking another war). The evidence is fairly clear over decades, based on fact not opinion!

[londontsi]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

scared? More like terrified .......

Hmmm ...

[Yedtarts]

Re: Armenian-Greek relations

scared? More like terrified (of risking another war). The evidence is fairly clear over decades, based on fact not opinion!

Civilized human likes peace in general and try to avoid wars in any cost, that doesn’t mean that they’re afraid or terrified, on the other hand barbaric beasts likes wars, destruction, killing, kidnapping and raping women and children.