Population of Armenia; is there any hope?

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Population of Armenia; is there any hope?

well according to this article Armenia's population is 3,262,200

Armenia’s resident population is 3 million 262,2 thousand people

The official figure of Armenia’s resident population is 3 million 262,2 thousand people, Karine Kuyumjyan of the National Statistical Service told Panorama.am.

According to the official data 2 million 088.1 thousand people live in urban residences, and 1 million 174.1 thousand live in rural communities.

The territory of the Republic of Armenia is divided into 10 communities (marzes) – 48 urban and 866 rural communities, and Yerevan urban residence with 12 administrative regions.

Source: Panorama.am

http://www.panorama.am/en/society/2011/02/02/kuyumjyan/

[Mos]

Re: Population of Armenia; is there any hope?

The problem is that many Armenians still registered in Armenia, live abroad (especially Russia or even Georgia) so it means the official population figures are an overestimate...

[KanadaHye]

Re: Population of Armenia; is there any hope?

Don't worry, I plan on taking over Canada

vor sareenk?
But I guess Armenians finally having access to oil/natural gas is not such a bad thing after all, we should invade, before USA runs out of oil and invades them again...

Anchap bagh che, ge varjeveese

[Federate]

Re: Population of Armenia; is there any hope?

Hold on there, what Mos said applies to Azerbaijan as well. In fact, I read an article written by an Azeri claiming that 3 million out of the 8 million Azerbaijani citizens actually live outside of Azerbaijan.

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Population of Armenia; is there any hope?

Hold on there, what Mos said applies to Azerbaijan as well. In fact, I read an article written by an Azeri claiming that 3 million out of the 8 million Azerbaijani citizens actually live outside of Azerbaijan.

i was looking for that to

Silent bureaucrat and that migration from Azerbaijan is not only not declining, but forcing the authorities in this country more and more fake, and distort the demographic statistics. Millions of Azeris are forced to work in Russia, Turkey, Kazakhstan, Ukraine, and the real figures of the Azerbaijani population is less than officially reported at 37% (more than 3.4 million people. "). This is primarily due to the migration of citizens of Azerbaijan in other countries. Migration also explains the severe social problems which the authorities of Azerbaijan occupied by no delay the flow of petrodollars, and not thinking to solve.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http://voskanapat.info/news/na_vore_i_shapka_gorit_ili_pochemu_lzhet_ehlnur_aslanov/2011-02-01-1088&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.com&twu=1&usg=ALkJrhiBPGpKn2c98NQQoGxvXqB9Cps0jg

[Mos]

Re: Population of Armenia; is there any hope?

yeah I bet there's similar issue in Azerbaijan, given the many Azeris in Russia. The population figures for countries that have high amount of migrants are generally always inflated.

[Tigranakert]

Re: Population of Armenia; is there any hope?

VivaCell-MTS subscriber base grosses 2,250,000 people as of November 30, 2010
December 28, 2010 - 15:20 AMT 11:20 GMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - The VivaCell-MTS subscriber base grossed 2,250,000 people as of November 30, 2010.

9,9% growth was recorded in subscribers’ base of VivaCell-MTS compared with the same period in 2009, the company’s press service reported.

Besides, the consolidated number of MTS subscribers has grown by 1,33 million to comprise 101,63 million users.

Mobile TeleSystems OJSC is the largest mobile phone operator in Russia and the CIS.

ArmenTel reported to have 643 thousand subscribers
January 18, 2011 - 15:28 AMT 11:28 GMT
PanARMENIAN.Net - According to informal data of marketing agencies, the number of ArmenTel subscribers totaled 643 thousand by the end of 2010.

The company will publish the official data in February.

The company had 581 thousand registered subscribers as of the third quarter of 2010, ArmenTel CEO Igor Klimko said.

Orange Armenia reports 555k subscribers; plans 3G capacity expansion

Orange Armenia chief executive officer Bruno Duthoit has told reporters that his company has now signed up 555,000 mobile subscribers, up from 306,000 at the end of September 2010. The CEO’s comments are quoted by PanArmenian.Net which adds that the cellco is now looking to increase in 3G network capacity by 30% this year. Duthoit told a news conference that the capacity increase will hopefully redress recent issues experienced by subscribers to its mobile internet services. He confirmed that whilst some users may be having technical problems, on the whole, the network is performing satisfactorily.

Of course, these are different dates but it gives an image of the population of Armenia. If you add all these numbers, it means there are 3,448,000 subscribers, but as the dates are not all correct, and the growth of one provider means the decline of the other, there surely are 3,000,000 subscribers in Armenia.

The question is how they count every subscriber, is a ''sim-card'' subscribed even if it is used once a year? I don't know, but the population of Armenia is surely not less than 2.5 million as some people claim.

[Haykakan]

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WHY DO SO MANY ARMENIANS LEAVE ARMENIA
Ani Navasardyan

http://civilitasfoundation.org/blog/?p=265

January 24th, 2011

Ani Navasardyan, a Civilitas Research Associate, worked with the
Caucasus Research Resource Centers in Tbilisi, in December 2010. The
volume of out-migration from the three countries of the South Caucasus
greatly increased after the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991. Data
from the 2009 Caucasus Barometer (CB) shows that this trend continues.

Fifty seven percent of Armenians want to temporarily leave Armenia,
while this number is 45% in Georgia and 47% in Azerbaijan for their
respective populations (See Figure 1). Twenty five percent of Armenians
want to permanently leave Armenia, while this number is 11% and 16%
for Georgia and Azerbaijan, respectively.

Figure 1

According to data provided by the National Statistical Agencies of
Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia, the 2009 migration balances in these
countries were -25, +1 and +34 people (in thousands), respectively.

Thus, the number of people who left Armenia exceeded the number
of those who entered by 25,000. In contrast, the number of people
who entered neighboring Georgia and Azerbaijan was higher than the
number of people who left these countries. Why do so many Armenians
leave Armenia?

In all three countries, there is a general trend of younger people
being more inclined to emigrate. Figure 2 shows that with respect to
gender, there is a fairly even percentage of men and women who want to
temporarily or permanently migrate abroad from Georgia. However, there
is a higher percentage of men in both Armenia and Azerbaijan that want
to temporarily or permanently migrate abroad when compared to women.

Figure 2

Yet, we find that the percentage of those who wish to leave Armenia
is higher than in the other two countries. Perhaps this is due
to structural factors such as regime type, level of socioeconomic
inequality (unemployment, per capita GDP, Gini index), risk or presence
of war, level of corruption, or social/cognitive factors including
the existence of friends and family abroad, or feelings of rejection,
trust or emptiness. Table 1 shows a few possible explanatory factors.

Table 1

Sources: Freedom House (2010), Transparency International (2010), World
Bank (2009), Human Security Report Project, the National Statistical
Agencies of Armenia, Azerbaijan and Georgia (2009), Caucasus Barometer
(2009). The Political Rights Score ranges from 1 (highest) to 7
(lowest) level of freedom. The Corruption Perceptions Index scores a
scale from 10 (very clean) to 0 (highly corrupt), and the Gini index
ranges from 0 (absolute equality) to 100 (absolute inequality).

Armenia lies in between Georgia and Azerbaijan with regard to all of
the structural factors: regime type, per capita GDP, unemployment rate
and level of socioeconomic inequality. There is a discomfort regarding
territorial disputes in all three countries (Nagorno Karabagh, Abkhazia
and South Ossetia). However, the Armenian population stands out as
having more friends and family abroad and as having more negative
feelings. The CB shows that 56% of Armenians have a family member
abroad, while this number is 40% and 37% in Azerbaijan and Georgia,
respectively. These numbers are 36% in Armenia, 16% in Azerbaijan and
26% in Georgia with respect to having a close friend abroad. Moreover,
more Armenian households rank money from relatives abroad as the
first source of income (6%), than households in Georgia (4%) and in
Azerbaijan (4%).

Why do you think the level of out migration is so much larger for
Armenia in comparison to Georgia and Azerbaijan? Share your thoughts
and ideas with us.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Population of Armenia; is there any hope?

Ղարաբաղում դեմոգրաֆիական դրական շարժ է նկատվում. ծնվողները շատ են մահացողներից
19:38 . 23/07
2012թ. հունվար-հունիսին հանրապետությունում ծնվածների թիվը 1.9 անգամ գերազանցել է մահվան դեպքերի թիվը, արդյունքում ունենք բնական աճ` 596 մարդ: Նախորդ տարվա համեմատ, ծնունդների թիվն աճել է Մարտակերտի և Ասկերանի շրջաններում, իսկ Ստեփանակերտում և մյուս շրջաններում դրանց թիվը նվազել է: Փոխարենը, նախորդ տարվա համեմատ, նվազել են նաև մահացության դեպքերը:
"Վերջին մի քանի տարիներին Արցախում ծնված երեխաների մեջ գերակշռում են տղաները` հաշվետու ժամանակաշրջանում կազմելով ծնվածների 53.5%-ը: Հատկանշական է, որ տղաների մասնաբաժինն առավել մեծ է երրորդ և հաջորդ երեխաների առումով` 54.3%",- ասաց ԼՂՀ ԱՎԾ սոցիալ-ժողովրդագրության և աշխատանքի շուկայի վիճակագրության բաժնի պետ Լիլիա Պետրոսյանը։
Ուրախալի է նաև այն հանգամանքը, որ 2012թ-ի առաջին կիսամյակում, ի տարբերություն նախորդ տարվա նույն ժամանակաշրջանի, հանրապետությունում ծնվածների կեսից ավելին բաժին է ընկել գյուղական բնակավայրերին:
Արցախում տղա նորածինների ամենահայտնի անունները շարունակում են մնալ Տիգրանը,Դավիթն ու Գոռը: Բացի ավանդական հայկական անուններից, հայ ծնողները գրեթե հավասարապես նախընտրում են նորածիններին անվանակոչել նաև օտար` ամենատարածված անուններով: Տղաների համար Ալեքս, Էրիկ, Արթուր, Ալեքսանդր, Դանիել անուններն են, աղջիկների համար Միլենա, Մարիա, Էլեն, Անգելինա: Իսկ աղջիկների համար այս տարվա առավել ընդունված հայկական անուններն են Նարեն, Մարիամը և Անին:
Մահացածների 74.1%-ի տարիքը բարձր է 70 տարեկանից, իսկ մահվան պատճառական կառուցվածքում շարունակում են գերակայել արյան շրջանառության համակարգի հիվանդությունները, երկրորդ տեղում նորագոյացություններն են, որոնց տեսակարար կշիռը՝ նախորդ տարվա համեմատ, աճել է համապատասխանաբար ավելի քան 3 տոկոսով:
Դրական է նաև 2012 թ-ի հունվար-հունիսին հանրապետություն պաշտոնապես հաշվառված եկողների և մեկնողների տարբերությունը: Մեխանիկական աճը կազմում է 186 մարդ, որը նախորդ տարվա ցուցանիշը գերազանցել է 13.4 %-ով:

http://www.yerkirmedia.am/?act=news&lan=hy&id=8642

[ara87]

Re: Population of Armenia; is there any hope?

According to the world bank, as of 2011 there are 3,100,236 living in Armenia. Perhaps that article's number is higher because it's including the people residing in Artsakh.

A lot of Armenia's problems with people are due to our economic situation which is directly tied to our situation with Turkey and Azerbaijan. It's hard to market ourselves as a place for the world to invest in when it looks like war might always be looming on our doorstep.

However we should still try to focus on getting global cooperations to invest in Armenia, no matter what kind of jobs. For instance there's no reason why some Software company can't eventually outsource their tech support to Armenia, as opposed to India.

Importing non Armenians

Also something to look to in the long run is after the emigration of Armenian citizens is curbed is looking to bring in people in small amounts, from other countries to Armenia, specifically ones with whom we share similar cultural values. This will help increase the overall population, also help the economy (more people=more tax revnue, new investments, etc) but also create closer ties between the Armenia and other foreign governments.

A great example would be an East Asian group, like the Japanese or South Koreans. Generally people from that area are hardworking and productive, have a strong belief in honor and respect, and put their families and countries before themselves. Many are also Christian.

They are also the kinds of immigrants who would actually learn the language of their new home and also the kind who typically do not intermarry with other races, so the Armenians who worry about interracial marriages wouldn't have too. For instance, even in the USA which is the country with the second most interracial marriages in the world, the ethnic group in which interracial marriage occurs least are those of the Asian Americans.

If a large enough group existed in Armenia say 10-15,000 it would not only would the pay taxes, it would even maybe drive companies from their home countries to invest in Armenia. It would also cause them to have a reason to care for the well being of Armenia when in comes to international policy making decisions. A group of that size also would only equate to less than 1% of the population, specifically between 0.32%-0.48% and would not be large enough to change the culture of Armenia. Even if 45,000 South Koreans or Japanese showed up, that still only be 1.4% of the population

South Korean singing in Armenian

Japanese school children singing in Armenian

Chinese student in Beijing speaks in Armenian, about why he's studied Armenian literature, history, and language for the past year (has a accent and doesn't speak to loudly but it's better than nothing)