Levon Ter-Petrosyan, BBC, Russia: "We should have given back territories in Karabakh"

[Tigranakert]

The Western puppet (and therefore, anti-Armenian) Levon Ter-Petrosyan, who has been widely supported by the United States of America and the Western world, has given a new interview to the Western biased news agency called BBC (the biasedness was easily noticeable especially during the Arab revolts).

In this he claims we should have given back some territories, in exchange for an interem-status, not even immediate independence! "Because there was no other solution". Can you believe this? So the Turks steal our lands, kill our people, we should just accept this and even during times of victory, give back the lands because they claim it as theirs, because there is no other solution?

Also notice how he divides the people of Karabakh, as if they are not Armenians. After all our lands got stolen, after dozens of genocide campaigns (which he does not mention) he says that the Armenians in Artsakh (which he refers to "Karabakhtsis), demonstrated a MAXIMALIST approach (he was the one who was constantly working AGAINST our soldiers during the war). This is un-believable. Publicly he aims for the destruction of the Armenian nation, and he is still allowed to lay FOOT on our sacred homeland?

What a sick xxxx. I didn't believe he had the balls to say such a thing. I can't imagine there are still some sick xxxxs who support him.

Dear Armenians, people like Levon Ter-Petrosyan and Raffi Hovanissian, these are the people supported by the West. Don't be too naive about their intentions, if it was up to America and the West, Armenia would have been vanished a long time ago. Yes, economic cooperation is good, but we should be on our watch for them not to put their puppets in power in our beloved Republic. That will be the beginning of the end.

Long live the freedom fighters who spilled their blood and gave their lives to our cause. It's a disgrace we have such an ex-president spitting on their graves. Long live the Russian Federation for helping Armenia and seeing Armenia as a strategic ally, for without them, and our freedom fighters, there would be no Armenia today.

Independent Armenia’s first president Levon Ter-Petrosyan has insisted that the closest Armenia and Azerbaijan were to finding a full solution to the conflict over Nagorno-Karabakh was in 1997, but a solution then failed because of the disagreement of Karabakh Armenians.

In an interview with the BBC Russian Service aired on Monday Ter-Petrosyan, who today leads Armenia’s opposition, said the Karabakh conflict could have been settled by means of ceding “certain territories” to Azerbaijan and establishing an intermediate status for Nagorno-Karabakh.

“But this did not happen, because the people of Karabakh demonstrated a maximalist approach and decided that this was too little, one could press more and get more... And not only people in Karabakh,” said the ex-president, who was forced to resign in February 1998, less than half a year after presenting his vision for ending the land dispute with Azerbaijan largely called “defeatist” in Armenia and Karabakh.

“Also in Yerevan, in my surroundings there were people who thought like that. I said then: if you think there is a better solution, please, [go ahead], I can’t have this solution stymied, you try it, maybe you’ll be successful,” added Ter-Petrosyan, reflecting on his differences, leading up to his resignation, with then Prime Minister Robert Kocharyan, a native of Karabakh and its former leader and other senior government representatives in Yerevan.

In his wide-ranging interview with the BBC Ter-Petrosyan also spoke about some little-known details of the establishment of the Commonwealth of Independent States, a loose alliance of former Soviet republics set up in the wake of the USSR’s demise, about his conversations with then Russian leader Boris Yeltsin and how Armenia gained its independence.

Speaking about the positive and negative aspects of the post-Soviet period for Armenia, Ter-Petrosyan noted that almost all former Soviet republics had seen a socio-economic decline after the disintegration of the Union.

“But it is not only food that keeps people alive. There is an aspiration for independence, an aspiration for democracy, freedom of speech and freedom of conscience. We gained all that,” said Ter-Petrosyan.

According to Armenia’s first post-communist leader, in general gaining independence was a great advance for the countries of the former Soviet Union, as well as for the whole world “because there is no empire, no communism, no Cold War.”

Ter-Petrosyan also expressed confidence that 20 years from now Armenia will be in a much better position and stressed that “distortion of power” remains a key problem for the country for the time being.

“If this problem is solved, everything will fall into place,” said Armenia’s current opposition leader. “There will be a normal, free country. Problems with both Azerbaijan and Turkey will be solved, that is, if Armenia faces a catastrophic situation, the fault will be entirely ours.”

To view Levon Ter-Petrosyan’s full interview in Russian click here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/russian/multime...syan_int.shtml

[Mos]

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As I said before. Today it's Karabakh, tomorrow it would be Armenia. I can bet that in addition to giving up Karabakh, Levon would have given up Syunik for some stupid reason. Instead of thinking about what lands to give up we should be thinking about what lands to obtain (e.g. Naxijevan).

[londontsi]

Re: Levon Ter-Petrosyan, BBC, Russia: "We should have given back territories in Karab

LTP has “every right” to have an opinion however vile that might be.
His opinion will not even be noticed if he did not have a following.

Therefore for me what matters is not what he thinks but who are his supporters who give him credence.
I have in mind the people he has on the podium as well as the supporting crowd that he attracts.

Sadly on that stage you can see with him the brother of Vazgen Sargisyan and the son of Karen Demirchyan among others.
One has to ask WHY?

Among the crowd you see people “supporting” him, again one has to explain WHY?
Hoping to get a more just society?

Lets remember he did so much damage to the country including the establishment of the oligarchic system
with his brother as the number 1 oligarch, destroyed peoples savings in the banks.
People were were forced to sell their gold to survive, again his cronies making fortunes in the process.
Political murders etc.

The list can go on and on.

Without understanding why he get this support any criticism of him is meaningless.

After all without “peoples” support who would give damn about his opinion and the media time?

[Tigranakert]

Re: Levon Ter-Petrosyan, BBC, Russia: "We should have given back territories in Karab

LTP has “every right” to have an opinion however vile that might be.
His opinion will not even be noticed if he did not have a following.

Therefore for me what matters is not what he thinks but who are his supporters who give him credence.
I have in mind the people he has on the podium as well as the supporting crowd that he attracts.

Sadly on that stage you can see with him the brother of Vazgen Sargisyan and the son of Karen Demirchyan among others.
One has to ask WHY?

Among the crowd you see people “supporting” him, again one has to explain WHY?
Hoping to get a more just society?

Lets remember he did so much damage to the country including the establishment of the oligarchic system
with his brother as the number 1 oligarch, destroyed peoples savings in the banks.
People were were forced to sell their gold to survive, again his cronies making fortunes in the process.
Political murders etc.

The list can go on and on.

Without understanding why he get this support any criticism of him is meaningless.

After all without “peoples” support who would give damn about his opinion and the media time?

Someone who is critical doesn't mean he does not understand the situation. It's plain simple why he is supported by some people. Most of those are corrupt criminals are going to benefit if this devil comes to power, because they have the right to do what they did in 1990-1997. The second group consists of naive individuals who think this devil will bring their salvation. Instead of supporting other non-criminal pro-Armenian opposition people, they support this idiot, why? The enormous support of the Western media (also financial) are one of the reasons.

But he lost, his days are over. We just have to analyze this problem and cope with the new Levon Ter Petrosyan in another disguise, more sophisticated, his name is Raffi Hovanissian, coming from a family of Armenian history falsifiers educated in the United States of America (not only educated, but most of his family lives there). We have to do everything in our power to cope with these treats. This does not mean we fully "support" the current government, but Armenia needs educated pro-Armenian politicians who will maintain good relations with our last lifeline, and that is Russia.

These Western puppets don't think of Armenia, but mere in the interests of themselves and their Western lords.

[Tigranakert]

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Information about the family of Hovannisians.

Forget the Kardashians, meet the real xxxxxs of the Armenian-American society - the Hovannisians

Garin Hovannisian is the newest in a long lineage of Hovannisian agents that have been implanted into the American-Armenian community under the guise of historian, politician and now, author. Provided with a topnotch education and important contacts - as well as an open door to all their professional endeavors - the Hovannisians are expected by Washington officials to be our community representatives. Sadly, the Hovannisian mercenaries are not alone in their community task and America is not their only theater of operation. There are many others like them. The list is quite long and it includes Armenian Assembly types, NAASR types, ARF types, Eastern Diocese types, Ronald Suny, Van Krikorian, Vartan Oskanian... There is also Richard Giragosian - an individual with a US military-intelligence background who recently opened a "political think tank" in Yerevan (because he "cares" about Armenia) with the active help Raffi Hovannisian. Then their is their media arm, anti-Armenia propaganda outlets such as Radio Liberty, Voice of America, Hetq and ArmeniaNow. These individuals and entities do not operate separately, they are all interconnected and they all collaborate.

Guggenheim Fellow and head of the Armenian studies chair in UCLA, Richard Hovannisian (who has a US military background that goes back to the Cold War's McCarthy era) and several other Armenian and xxxish "historians" in the United States have been actively involved in distorting and falsifying Armenian history. The falsifications are fully inline with Turkish, Israeli and American political interests (see video links below). Raffi Hovannisian, Garin's father, is a graduate of CIA affiliated Tufts University (so is Vartan Oskanian). Raffi served as Armenia's prime minister under Levon Petrosian during the early 1990s and he is currently working in Yerevan as an "opposition" politician that more-or-less represents Washingtonian interests in Armenia. And Raffi's son, Garin, is currently being trained by his handlers to simply follow his grandfather's and father's footsteps. Garin is the same character, incidentally, that chose Armenian independence day last September to viciously attack the Armenian Republic in several mainstream newspapers in the United States.

It was quite obvious that Garin and company wanted to make anti-Armenia noise simply because Yerevan had at the time recently institutionalized Armenia's strategic military alliance with the Russian Federation, and also perhaps because he wanted to get some attention to his - kiss me, I'm a genocide survivor book called "Family of Shadows" he had recently published. Coming on the heels of a documentary that revealed the falsification of Armenian history by Richard Hovannisian and others (see video links below), the book in question, which is supposedly the family history of the Hovannisians, may be an attempt to do some damage control. Like I mentioned earlier, Garin is new to the game. Nevertheless, he will be worked on by his handlers and he will be promoted in various venues throughout the Armenian-American community. His anti-Armenia article and the book release is just the first phase - his debut.

The following three links are to the very eye opening and informative video documentary about the organized effort taking place in the United States to distort Armenian identity and falsify Armenian history. Needless to say, the head of this anti-Armenian agenda in American academia has been none other than Richard Hovannisian.
Falsifiers of Armenian History Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6VrO2WBx4A

Falsifiers of Armenian History Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmuEY...eature=related

Falsifiers of Armenian History Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faicW...eature=related
A little background on the political implications.

During the Cold War period, nationalism of various ethnic groups inside the Soviet Union was promoted by Washington primarily to foment unrest within the Soviet Union. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union (in other words, after nationalism had served its purpose), nationalism was promptly discarded and replaced by Globalism (a modern form of Bolshevism).

While Armenian nationalism was commendable (even openly encouraged) by Washington and its lackeys in the Armenian diaspora during the Soviet years, expressions of real/traditional Armenian nationalism today is ridiculed and belittled by the very individuals appointed to oversee the Armenian diaspora here in the United States. For this new breed of internationalist demons, talking about the genocide is good (as long as it does not go past talking) and any expressions of traditional nationalism is bad - it's fascistic. Armenians in academic circles in the United States that want to promote and/or pursue an Armenocentric approach to Armenian history and identity are ostracized.

Bare in mind that all of the above are speculations. However, the speculations in question are based upon astute observations and an in-depth understanding/knowledge of how the nation's intelligence services operate and what their political endgame is. While we don't directly see what they do behind their closed doors, what we do see, however, is their handiwork - the results on the ground. Thus, basing my opinion on the commonalities that have been observed connecting our communities' various government sponsored mercenaries, it is my opinion that these people (of diverse professions and expertise) seem to have three primary intentions/goals when it comes to political and historical matters pertaining to Armenia and Armenians.

1) They are always attempting to undermine Armenia's relationship with Russia. They ultimately work towards pushing Russians out of the Caucasus. First, it was the Soviet Union that they targeted. Now, it's the Russian Federation. Their ultimate geostrategic goal is to allow Anglo-American, Western European, Turkish and Israeli interests to pursue their regional agendas (namely energy exploitation) unhindered - in other words, free of Russian meddling. It is well known in serious political circles that the Armenian state cannot survive in the volatile Caucasus without being under Moscow's protection. Thus, in my opinion, anyone that attempts to place a wedge between Armenia and Russia deserves the title of traitor. Sadly, our diaspora here in America, has more than its normal share of traitors and collaborators against the Armenian state. It needs to be said, however, that many of these people (the self-destructive peasantry, as I call them) do what they do unwittingly/unknowingly. Regardless of intentions, however, these people's actions serve to endanger the very existence of the Armenian state.

2) They want Armenians to feel insecure, dependent, victimized and helpless so that nationalistic pride, the primary cure against the Anglo-American-Zionist empire's Globalism (the modern world's Bolshevism), is not able to take root within Armenians. Sadly, our genocide may be being used as a tool towards this evil purpose. We have had three generations in the diaspora that have been essentially raised being told that Armenians are victims and a subjugated people. Needless to say, this has caused severe identity crisis, self-confidence issues and victim mentalities. Don't believe me? Please take a close look around you (perhaps even in the mirror). And this already bad situation has more-or-less been made worst by the hijacking of our Hay Dat by those who essentially want us to remain weak, pathetic and constantly asking Washington for help.

3) They enthusiastically give Armenians lip service regarding the Armenian Genocide - but behind closed doors they make sure that it never goes past the talking stage. As a matter of fact, many of these people actually collaborate with Turks (weren't Armenian Assembly members such as Van Krikorian involved in the infamous TARC agenda several years ago?). Armenian-American "historian" Ronald Suny is actually a Turkophile. It's as if they want us to continue feeling victimized and helpless - without providing us a resolution. In military/political circles, this is called psychological warfare and we Armenians are not their only victims. Naturally, similar agendas are carried out against other targeted nations as well: Iranians, Arabs, Central/South Americans, Germans and Russians, readily come to mind.

I understand many unsuspecting and politically ignorant Armenian-Americans have a lot of respect for the Hovannisians and other individuals mentioned in this commentary. As a result, my statements and accusations may seem a bit troubling or surreal at first glance, especially if the reader is unable to understand the complex world of superpower politics or acknowledge the evil nature of those running the political show in Washington. However, those who understand the political world they live in fully understand what I am talking about. Who and what the Hovannisians are is very obvious to me and many others like me.

[Tigranakert]

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Territorial concessions not key to resolution of Nagorno-Karabakh conflict

April 20, 2011 | 03:05
YEREVAN. - Territorial concessions are not a key to resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, Arman Melikyan, the former FM of the Nagorno-Karabakh Republic (NKR), told Armenian News-NEWS.am.

Melikyan commented on Levon Ter-Petrosyan’s statement that the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict might have been settled in 1997 by means of some territorial concessions in exchange for interim - and later final – status of Nagorno-Karabakh.

“Territorial concessions would have only ousted Russia from the negotiation process and changed the geopolitical situation in the region, which was not at all in the interests of landlocked Armenia,” Melikyan said.

It was under Ter-Petrosyan’s presidency that the Armenian side made a blunder in the negotiation process.

“The Armenian side did not place emphasis on the refugee factor, which has since been to the Armenian sides’ detriment. They should have thought about resolving the refugee problem rather than about yielding territories to Azerbaijan,” Melikyan said.

In an interview with the BBC, Ter-Petrosyan said that a settlement of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict was the most realistic in 1997, when the problem could be resolved by yielding some territories to Azerbaijan, concluding a truce, and creating an interim status for Nagorno-Karabakh to determine its final status later. However, Stepanakert, as well as Ter-Petrosyan’s milieu, objected to the idea. They believed negotiations would produce even better results.

Indeed, it was only to serve the interests of the West, Azerbaijan and Turkey.

[arakeretzig]

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why is petrosyan still alive? vile vermin abiding to his masters in washington.