Relocating to Armenia from Arab countries

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bell-the-cat replied

05-12-2011, 11:30 AM
Re: Relocating to Armenia from Arab countries

Originally posted by UrMistake View Post

bell you got it wrong :/ confused maybe with hamshen?

you are giving the impresion not only armenian hamshen but also other cultural groups.

Meshkhetian Turks are turks living in meshket in georgia if the lived in London they would be called Londons Turks ..

Please, do at least a minimum amount of research before you post.

And I DON'T mean fxxxing Wikipedia.

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UrMistake replied

05-12-2011, 11:21 AM
Re: Relocating to Armenia from Arab countries

bell you got it wrong :/ confused maybe with hamshen?

you are giving the impresion not only armenian hamshen but also other cultural groups.

Meshkhetian Turks are turks living in meshket in georgia if the lived in London they would be called Londons Turks ..
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bell-the-cat replied

05-12-2011, 10:37 AM
Re: Relocating to Armenia from Arab countries

Originally posted by Federate View Post

I wouldn't go as far as to call the Armenian Church in Artsakh fascistic. It does whatever it can to exclude elements that are not part of the Armenian identity simply because there are only 140 000 people in Artsakh. The slightest bit of "deviation" (mainly Jehova's Witnesses) will make a huge difference. Having said that, I think these issues will be negotiated if they were to be settled in Martakert. It's also possible that they are already Christians (aka "Northern Hamshens") or have converted.

As for the Meshkhetian Turks, I do see a difference: Hamshens are viewed as Armenians going back to Armenia while the Meskhetian Turks are Turks going to Georgia. Still not a perfect excuse.

Most impartial sources agree that the "Meshkhetian Turks" are not ethnic Turks, they are Islamised Iberians/Georgians/Armenians. They were deported to central Asia by Stalin in order to remove minorities that might be seen as pro-Turkish from the Soviet border with Turkey. The term postdates the deportation, so the deported Hamshen Armenians are also "Meshkhetian Turks"!

The Armenian Church in Artsakh is fascistic in nature because it demanded that it should be the only religious institution allowed to operate within the territory of Nagorno-Karabagh and actually got local laws passed that made it the only religious institution legally allowed to operate there. The Armenian Church tried to do the same in Armenia but the law it wanted passed was rejected as being anti-democratic. So the Hamshen Armenians, if they were to settle in N K, would be committing a crime if they continued to practice Islam in an organised way.

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Federate replied

05-11-2011, 08:26 AM
Re: Relocating to Armenia from Arab countries

Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post

More like entirely justifiably and no lol.

I don't go in for conspiracy theories but I'm beginning to think the whole thing is one big Israeli plot. Chirstians are being massacred in the streets in Egypt, churches are burnt down, but everything is now wonderful there according to Western Media. The government there is moving to tear up agreements with Israel and open the border at Gaza for free access, yet Israel and its poodle media in the west remains strangely silent. Israel is, I think, looking for a situation where it is surrounded by weak but fanatical Islamist regimes so that it can gain unquestioned support for America for all time and can do whatever it wants.

BTW, welcome back

Silly bell, you do not need to excuse yourself of not going in conspiracy theories What you stated in not a conspiracy theory in the typical dismissal sense, it's just politics without you being silenced by being called a so-called "anti-"Semite"". It's real talk!

Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post

They had better watch out if they do go there - the fascistic Armenian Church in Artsakh will be watching their every move.

And it also neatly neutralises any complaints Armenia might dare to raise if Georgia also allows the self-styled "Mtzkehtian Turks" to return to its Samtskhe-Javakheti province.

I wouldn't go as far as to call the Armenian Church in Artsakh fascistic. It does whatever it can to exclude elements that are not part of the Armenian identity simply because there are only 140 000 people in Artsakh. The slightest bit of "deviation" (mainly Jehova's Witnesses) will make a huge difference. Having said that, I think these issues will be negotiated if they were to be settled in Martakert. It's also possible that they are already Christians (aka "Northern Hamshens") or have converted.

As for the Meshkhetian Turks, I do see a difference: Hamshens are viewed as Armenians going back to Armenia while the Meskhetian Turks are Turks going to Georgia. Still not a perfect excuse.
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KanadaHye replied

05-11-2011, 07:07 AM
Re: Relocating to Armenia from Arab countries

Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post

Though, here, only KanadaHye seems to gets away with using the LOL getout after posting extreme comments.

LOL

Bite me, LOL.
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bell-the-cat replied

05-11-2011, 06:55 AM
Re: Relocating to Armenia from Arab countries

Originally posted by TomServo View Post

I posted the same message (more or less) on a forum with a largely American userbase and was warned that such comments were anti-Muslim and could lead to a ban. So I decided to play it safe here and insert the LOL in order to distance myself from my own opinion. Then again, it's HyeClub!

Though, here, only KanadaHye seems to gets away with using the LOL getout after posting extreme comments.

LOL
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bell-the-cat replied

05-11-2011, 06:52 AM
Re: Relocating to Armenia from Arab countries

Originally posted by Federate View Post

Forget Arab countries, go Kyrgyzstan! Such an interesting development...
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Hamsheni Armenians of Kyrgyzstan to move to Karabakh

May 11, 2011 | 05:38

Hamsheni Armenians of Kyrgyzstan are to move to Nagorno-Karabakh.

Ruslan Karabadjakov, the leader of Hamsheni Armenian community in Kyrgyzstan, visited Armenia for further elaborations on the project of relocation. Karabadjakov will also travel to Karabakh (Artsakh) to find the most appropriate place for the dwelling of 200 Hamsheni Armenian families, reports Yerkramas.

'We belong here, in Armenia. For 250 years our fate drove us from place to place, from Ajaria to Central Asia. Eventually, we decided to shelter on our own land,' said Karabadjakov.

The initial plan is to shelter 200 Hamsheni Armenian families in Martakert region of Nagorno-Karabakh.

The project will be funded until Hamshenis will find the means of supporting themselves.

http://news.am/eng/news/58866.html

They had better watch out if they do go there - the fascistic Armenian Church in Artsakh will be watching their every move.

And it also neatly neutralises any complaints Armenia might dare to raise if Georgia also allows the self-styled "Mtzkehtian Turks" to return to its Samtskhe-Javakheti province.
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TomServo replied

05-11-2011, 06:51 AM
Re: Relocating to Armenia from Arab countries

Originally posted by bell-the-cat View Post

More like entirely justifiably and no lol.

I posted the same message (more or less) on a forum with a largely American userbase and was warned that such comments were anti-Muslim and could lead to a ban. So I decided to play it safe here and insert the LOL in order to distance myself from my own opinion. Then again, it's HyeClub!
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bell-the-cat replied

05-11-2011, 06:44 AM
Re: Relocating to Armenia from Arab countries

Originally posted by TomServo View Post

I believe most Armenians (and Christians) support the current regime. I think they (somewhat justifiably) fear the Sunni alternative, LOL.

More like entirely justifiably and no lol.

I don't go in for conspiracy theories but I'm beginning to think the whole thing is one big Israeli plot. Chirstians are being massacred in the streets in Egypt, churches are burnt down, but everything is now wonderful there according to Western Media. The government there is moving to tear up agreements with Israel and open the border at Gaza for free access, yet Israel and its poodle media in the west remains strangely silent. Israel is, I think, looking for a situation where it is surrounded by weak but fanatical Islamist regimes so that it can gain unquestioned support for America for all time and can do whatever it wants.

BTW, welcome back
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Federate replied

05-11-2011, 06:34 AM
Re: Relocating to Armenia from Arab countries

Forget Arab countries, go Kyrgyzstan! Such an interesting development...
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Hamsheni Armenians of Kyrgyzstan to move to Karabakh

May 11, 2011 | 05:38

Hamsheni Armenians of Kyrgyzstan are to move to Nagorno-Karabakh.

Ruslan Karabadjakov, the leader of Hamsheni Armenian community in Kyrgyzstan, visited Armenia for further elaborations on the project of relocation. Karabadjakov will also travel to Karabakh (Artsakh) to find the most appropriate place for the dwelling of 200 Hamsheni Armenian families, reports Yerkramas.

'We belong here, in Armenia. For 250 years our fate drove us from place to place, from Ajaria to Central Asia. Eventually, we decided to shelter on our own land,' said Karabadjakov.

The initial plan is to shelter 200 Hamsheni Armenian families in Martakert region of Nagorno-Karabakh.

The project will be funded until Hamshenis will find the means of supporting themselves.

Hamsheni Armenians of Kyrgyzstan to move to Karabakh

http://news.am/eng/news/58866.html

'We belong here, in Armenia...
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