Ways to help Armenia

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Ways to help armenia

Look at the condition of the United States today. Bright, talented young men and women all over the country graduating from America's top universities, including ivy leagues, cannot find work in the so called "land of opportunity" because of the economic condition of the US.

These people put in the effort, worked hard, but due to the bad economy, and through no fault of their own, simply CANNOT FIND WORK. THERE SIMPLY ARE NO JOBS!

Would you mind please explaining to me how you would expect these people to take care of themselves in an AMERICAN state where they CAN'T find a job and work??????????

And yet, you "expect them to take care of themselves in an Armenian state where they can find a job and work, because that is what will help Armenia."

Well guess what? Those conditions do not exist in the country. There simply aren't enough jobs for everyone, no matter how hard-working or educated they may be.

And, going back to the situation facing young, educated Americans today who can't find work, what do you think would happen to them if their parents refused to let them move back home after college and refused to help them monetarily or otherwise on the basis that doing so, " doesn't help and only creates a dependency"???

What would become of these young, bright, educated young Americans? Homeless? Hungry? YOU BET!

Yes, the Armenian state should create the conditions where Armenians would be able to work and take care of themselves. However, as I've said, these conditions don't exist. As patriotic Armenians, it is our duty to help make up for the difference until Armenia stands on its feet and building a viable economy.

Do you want to discuss economics and how the diaspora can help Armenia or you want to continue the voxp you started because the only thing I see from you are emotional reactions and nothing more. Please provide sources that people with real diplomas don't get jobs and to me political science etc aren't real diplomas.

However long it takes, or do you have other ways you would rather spend your money? Like all on yourself maybe?

"ask not what your country can do for you -- ask what you can do for your country."--JFK

Yes let us keep throwing money at it that will solve the problem. 20$ a month yes that will help create a strong and rich state. Yes I've got better use for the money, I would rather invest 15000 in an starting Armenian company that needs funds, that will have a bigger effect on the economy than the 20$ a month for 100 year ever will have.

You are a moreon. It doesn't create dependency. They're healthy, able bodied men and women ready and willing to work, but the conditions don't exist. That's what forces many to leave armenia and seek work in the first place. And if they didn't send money back to their families, NOT only would they be unemployed, but they woouldn't even have money for bread. This isn't about dependency, this is about conditions. If you're so patriotic, move back there and become self-dependant, let's see how long youll survive without ur mommy sending you money, let's just see....

Now we start with the insults
It creates dependency on a state level, the people are willing but can't than that needs to be changed and investments are needed. Your idea will keep the status quo and not change anything. That is not what the state of Armenia needs. Look again to other developing countries and look what european charity organizations are doing there. Do you see any of them handing out money? No they don't do that but they do invest in new and upcoming companies. Ask your self now why do they do that and not just give money? Because that will not solve the problem. So you know the saying if you aren't part of the solutions you are a part of the problem. Sir believe me you are part of the problem.

You just keep on hoping and talking.... meanwhile, back in reality,....

Back in reality it's people with visions that build and create things. You keep thinking small and see where you end up. I'll keep thinking big and make steps to reach my goals.

[Artsakh]

Re: Ways to help armenia

Do you want to discuss economics and how the diaspora can help Armenia or you want to continue the voxp you started because the only thing I see from you are emotional reactions and nothing more.

What are you saying???? Are you drunk? you're not even making sense, which part is an emotional reponse and to what?

Yes let us keep throwing money at it that will solve the problem. 20$ a month yes that will help create a strong and rich state. Yes I've got better use for the money, I would rather invest 15000 in an starting Armenian company that needs funds, that will have a bigger effect on the economy than the 20$ a month for 100 year ever will have.

No, it won't solve the problem, but it will ease the situation of our compatriots living in the homeland. 20 dollars won't kill you, but you will make the difference in their lives of being able to put bread and butter on the table.

As i'm sure you've invested millions already, but most individuals either can't or simply won't invest thousands of dollars. The point of my thread was how the every day diasporan Armenian can with little effort actually help armenia in a meaningful way. You can hold on to your millions.

By all means, be my guest, I encourage you, but most Armenians either can't or won't because it's too much. My suggestions don't require too much effort on their part.

Now we start with the insults
It creates dependency on a state level, the people are willing but can't than that needs to be changed and investments are needed. Your idea will keep the status quo and not change anything. That is not what the state of Armenia needs. Look again to other developing countries and look what european charity organizations are doing there. Do you see any of them handing out money? No they don't do that but they do invest in new and upcoming companies. Ask your self now why do they do that and not just give money? Because that will not solve the problem. So you know the saying if you aren't part of the solutions you are a part of the problem. Sir believe me you are part of the problem

helping out people in need is not creating dependency. What you're saying is let's punish them because they can't find work. It's not their fault theres no work you. Furthermore, If that's your attitute, keep your filthy money to yourself, and stop distrubing my thread. A major hinderance to the armenian state and economy first of all comes from hard headed idiots like yourself who must open their stupid mouths and comment on everything because they know it all.
"karothegreat"... shows how highly you think of yourself.. karo the my left nut is more like it.

If you have a problem with sponsoring families, then donate to patriotic organizations, do you have any objections towards that? i can give you the address for the hay ariakan miabanutyun, you can be a benefactor and help fund their patriotic activities, and actually do something, or you can continue talking.

you have a problem with giving to faimiless, then give to churches, give to orphanges. are you opposed to that as well. If you have nothing constructive to add, don't disturb my thread like a turk. If youve got constructive suggestions, be my guest.

Back in reality it's people with visions that build and create things. You keep thinking small and see where you end up. I'll keep thinking big and make steps to reach my goals.

You keep on visioning, meanwhile diasporan patriots are doing some real work, like building schools, building roads, building hospitals and helping out families of freedom fighters.

when it comes to the average armenian family living abroad, not everyone has the means or desires to help out in such a huge way as you foolishly and laughable suggest. however, by buying products made in armenia, by visiting armenia and spending tourist dollars there, and/or buy sponsoring a family in armenia with as little as 20dollars a month, they can help armenia in little but meaningful ways without causing a financial strain on themselves.

[Artsakh]

Re: Ways to help armenia

Please provide sources that people with real diplomas don't get jobs and to me political science etc aren't real diplomas.

Aren't you aware? GEEEZ!!! where have you been?

O, well, according to "Karothegreat", if you have a political science degree from harvard, evidently you're a idiot and undeserving of a job.

I didn't know in order to find work every body had to be a doctor or possess whatever it is that you consider "real diplomas".
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College grads upended by unemployment

The job market for recent college graduates is the bleakest it's been since 1983, forcing a generation that has basked in possibilities to contend with dwindling prospects.

And that's only when they're trying to avoid mowing Mom and Dad's lawn.

"I've taken on the role of a teenager again," said Jeremy Kelly, jobless despite a successful background in doctoral-level HIV/AIDS research at George Mason University. "I'm not paying rent, but it's funny being told to mow the lawn at 28 years old."

Eric Donahue, 21, just graduated from the University of Maryland with an undergraduate degree in economics.

"I've gotten a lot of replies from employers saying I'm not qualified, but even more disconcerting is when they don't send anything back at all," he said.

Donahue moved home to southern Maryland and spends time applying for jobs and practicing with his band. And mowing the lawn.

"I just told him to cut the grass, as a matter of fact," said Donahue's father, Bryan.

"I really love him and we like having him around," he said, but added that he worries about the job market and has been encouraging his son to apply to graduate school. He joked that someone should check back with him in six months to see whether his son's stay was still welcome.

"I really love him and we like having him around," he said, but added that he worries about the job market and has been encouraging his son to apply to graduate school. He joked that someone should check back with him in six months to see whether his son's stay was still welcome.

Kelly and Donahue are hardly alone. The most recent unemployment rate was nearly 6 percent for people 27 years and younger with a bachelor's degree or higher, or nearly double the rate of just two years ago, according to an analysis by the Washington-based Economic Policy Institute. And according to the National Association of Colleges and Employers, an organization of career counselors, employers say they will hire 22 percent fewer college graduates than last year.

While 6 percent unemployment for recent graduates still beats the 9.5 percent unemployment rate for all workers, it's significantly higher than the rate for college graduates of all ages.

"It's been pretty easy for this generation, so they've let their guard down a bit," said Linda LeNoir, assistant director and 27-year counselor at the University of Maryland's career center. "For them it's been about the click of a button, but finding a job in this economy is going to take more than the click of a button."

Amy Suddarth graduated in the spring with a biology degree from Virginia's Christopher Newport University and now spends time every day or so checking around on job sites like Monster.com, but so far without luck.

"I told a friend the other day, 'I cracked. I've applied to restaurants,' " Suddarth said.

Meanwhile Kelly tries to downplay his Ph.D. candidacy on applications to places like Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Target, the local movie theater, Arby's and Panera Bread, he said. But even so, he hasn't heard back and suspects it may have to do with his upward mobility.

"This is the first time a degree has worked against me," he said.

LeNoir said that Kelly, Donahue, Suddarth and thousands like them will do best to go back to the job-search basics of personal networking and getting a foot in the door, even if it's not a dream job.

"This generation was raised with things not as tough -- they're not used to tough," she said. "Maybe this is their reality check."

[Artsakh]

Re: Ways to help armenia

College grad unemployment at record high

The unemployment rate for people with a college degree hit 5.1 percent in November — the highest it’s been in 40 years, the Economic Policy Institute in Washington, D.C. reported Friday.

A total of 2.4 million college graduates age 25 and older are out of work nationwide, EPI economist Heidi Shierholz said.

More than 408,500 residents in the Sacramento region are 25 and older and have bachelor’s degrees or higher, according to U.S. Census data. If the 5.1 percent unemployed figure holds true for Sacramento, that means more than 20,800 college grads are out of work.

The labor market sputtered last month and the hoped-for progress is not materializing, Shierholz said in a news release. The national unemployment rate rose to 9.8 percent.

The bleak jobs report also hit another grim benchmark.

At 19 months, this downturn matches the longest stretch since World War II with an unemployment rate of 9 percent or more.

In the recession that began in 1981, the unemployment rate was at 9 percent or more for exactly 19 months. At the tail end of that period, however, the unemployment rate was already falling fast, Shierholz said.

“Today’s situation stands in start contrast, with the unemployment rate expected to remain at over 9 percent through at least 2011,” she said.

[Artsakh]

Re: Ways to help armenia

College Grads Flood U.S. Labor Market With Diminished Prospects

By Mike Dorning

May 19 (Bloomberg) -- Ten months after graduating from Ohio State University with a civil-engineering degree and three internships, Matt Grant finally has a job -- as a banquet waiter at a Clarion Inn near Akron, Ohio.

“It’s discouraging right now,” said the 24-year-old, who sent out more than 100 applications for engineering positions. “It’s getting closer to the Class of 2010, their graduation date. I’m starting to worry more.”

Schools from Grant’s alma mater to Harvard University will soon begin sending a wave of more than 1.6 million men and women with bachelor’s degrees into a labor market with a 9.9 percent jobless rate, according to the Education and Labor departments. While the economy is improving, unemployment is near a 26-year high, rising last month from 9.7 percent in January-March as more Americans entered the workforce.

The graduates’ plight has been the subject of high-level discussions within President Barack Obama’s administration, which so far has concluded the best response is to focus on reviving overall employment and bolstering assistance for higher education, said Peter Orszag, the White House budget director.

“What’s clear is that there is harm to those who graduate at the wrong time through no fault of their own, which is one reason why it is so important to improve the jobs market,” Orszag said. “That is the bottom line here.”

The scramble for jobs may depress earnings of new and recent college graduates for years to come and handicap their future career opportunities, according to Lisa Kahn, an assistant professor of economics at Yale University’s School of Management in New Haven, Connecticut. It also might hurt Democrats in the November Congressional elections, as the young voters who helped propel the party to power in 2008 grow disenchanted with their economic prospects.

Wage Losses

Students who graduated in the early 1980s -- when two recessions drove unemployment to a peak of 10.8 percent -- suffered wage losses of more than $100,000 in the next 15 years compared with those who came into the job market during the decade’s boom years, according to Kahn’s research.

“They get shifted down into a lower level and lower pay scale,” she said. “They are working for worse firms, they’re not learning as many skills and they’re not moving up the career pyramid as quickly.”

The average salary offered to bachelor’s degree candidates this year is $47,673, 1.7 percent less than 2009, when the economy already was in recession, according to data compiled from campus job-placement offices by the National Association of Colleges and Employers in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

Increasing Competition

“More so in the last year to 18 months than at any time, we have seen applicants from prior graduating classes looking for the kind of entry-level jobs we’re recruiting for,” said Dan Black, director of campus recruiting for Ernst & Young LLP, a professional-services firm headquartered in New York. “There are a lot more cohorts competing with each other: ‘09 with ‘10, probably ‘10 with ‘11.”

Unemployment among people under 25 years old was 19.6 percent in April, the highest level since the Labor Department began tracking the data in 1948. Their economic travails may haunt Democrats in the November midterm elections. The youthful voters who helped propel the party to victory in the 2006 Congressional elections and gave the 2008 Obama campaign much of its vibrancy are showing signs of waning enthusiasm.

Democrats held a 62 percent to 30 percent advantage over Republicans in 2008 among “millennials,” born after 1980, according to the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in Washington D.C. Their 32-point margin shrank to 18 points this year, with 55 percent leaning Democratic and 37 percent Republican, based on polls taken from January through April.

Less Excitement

“It’s definitely tamped down the energy and the excitement and activism that the Obama campaign had sparked among that entry-level age group,” said Democratic strategist Joe Trippi, who advised Howard Dean’s 2004 campaign and is working with candidates in several midterm races.

Even graduates of elite and graduate universities feel the impact. A new listserv of “Hot Opportunities” Harvard’s career-services office began compiling in March garnered 1,000 student subscribers in its first two days.

“This is the first year we have seen such a demand for our services this close to graduation,” said Robin Mount, director of the office in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Thirty-three percent of Harvard’s graduating seniors had accepted a job as of commencement last year, down from 51 percent the year before. The survey results for this year’s class haven’t been released.

On-campus recruiting at schools of business declined 65 percent during the fall job-interview season, according to the MBA Career Services Council in Tampa, Florida. Peter Giulioni, assistant dean and executive director of MBA Career Services at the University of Southern California’s Marshall School of Business in Los Angeles, said he is encouraging this year’s graduates to be more flexible in the jobs they seek.

“Whereas in the past maybe 10 percent of my students had to go with their Plan B, about 30 percent are now,” he said.

--Editors: Melinda Grenier, Christopher Wellisz

To contact the reporter on this story: Mike Dorning in Washington at [email protected]

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Christopher Wellisz at [email protected]

[Artsakh]

Re: Ways to help armenia

Please provide sources that people with real diplomas don't get jobs and to me political science etc aren't real diplomas.

I am quite surprised that you aren't aware of the condition facing the citizens of the United States. And the unemployment problem isn't regarding just college graduates. All sectors, all industries are suffering severly. Perhaps you're not aware of all the teacher layoffs??? all the downsizing that has resulted in millions of jobs lost? perhaps you're not aware of all the homes people lost. well, that's ok, your mommy takes care of you and provides your roof and meals, so you really don't have to worry about that much.

and you know what????????????

these people that become unemployed and unable to find new work, do you know what they recieved?????

they recieved government HANDOUTS in the form of UNEMPLOYMENT checks!!

and do you know what would happen if they didn't recive these government handouts?

they'd have no option but to face homelessness and hunger.

and this is the united states we're talking about buddy. so next time u open ur big fat mouth, think and know what ur talking about first.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Ways to help armenia

Aren't you aware? GEEEZ!!! where have you been?

O, well, according to "Karothegreat", if you have a political science degree from harvard, evidently you're a idiot and undeserving of a job.

I didn't know in order to find work every body had to be a doctor or possess whatever it is that you consider "real diplomas".
--------------------------------------------


College grads upended by unemployment

The job market for recent college graduates is the bleakest it's been since 1983, forcing a generation that has basked in possibilities to contend with dwindling prospects.

And that's only when they're trying to avoid mowing Mom and Dad's lawn.

"I've taken on the role of a teenager again," said Jeremy Kelly, jobless despite a successful background in doctoral-level HIV/AIDS research at George Mason University. "I'm not paying rent, but it's funny being told to mow the lawn at 28 years old."

Eric Donahue, 21, just graduated from the University of Maryland with an undergraduate degree in economics.

"I've gotten a lot of replies from employers saying I'm not qualified, but even more disconcerting is when they don't send anything back at all," he said.

Donahue moved home to southern Maryland and spends time applying for jobs and practicing with his band. And mowing the lawn.

"I just told him to cut the grass, as a matter of fact," said Donahue's father, Bryan.

"I really love him and we like having him around," he said, but added that he worries about the job market and has been encouraging his son to apply to graduate school. He joked that someone should check back with him in six months to see whether his son's stay was still welcome.

"I really love him and we like having him around," he said, but added that he worries about the job market and has been encouraging his son to apply to graduate school. He joked that someone should check back with him in six months to see whether his son's stay was still welcome.

Kelly and Donahue are hardly alone. The most recent unemployment rate was nearly 6 percent for people 27 years and younger with a bachelor's degree or higher, or nearly double the rate of just two years ago, according to an analysis by the Washington-based Economic Policy Institute. And according to the National Association of Colleges and Employers, an organization of career counselors, employers say they will hire 22 percent fewer college graduates than last year.

While 6 percent unemployment for recent graduates still beats the 9.5 percent unemployment rate for all workers, it's significantly higher than the rate for college graduates of all ages.

"It's been pretty easy for this generation, so they've let their guard down a bit," said Linda LeNoir, assistant director and 27-year counselor at the University of Maryland's career center. "For them it's been about the click of a button, but finding a job in this economy is going to take more than the click of a button."

Amy Suddarth graduated in the spring with a biology degree from Virginia's Christopher Newport University and now spends time every day or so checking around on job sites like Monster.com, but so far without luck.

"I told a friend the other day, 'I cracked. I've applied to restaurants,' " Suddarth said.

Meanwhile Kelly tries to downplay his Ph.D. candidacy on applications to places like Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Target, the local movie theater, Arby's and Panera Bread, he said. But even so, he hasn't heard back and suspects it may have to do with his upward mobility.

"This is the first time a degree has worked against me," he said.

LeNoir said that Kelly, Donahue, Suddarth and thousands like them will do best to go back to the job-search basics of personal networking and getting a foot in the door, even if it's not a dream job.

"This generation was raised with things not as tough -- they're not used to tough," she said. "Maybe this is their reality check."

Do you even read the articles each one of your article talks about 6% unemployment, so for every 100 students that graduate in June 6 don't have a job some time after. It was an economical recession so I would say that is something normal.

An undergraduate in political science or any liberal art is not a real degree because it doesn't prepare you for the job market what it does is prepare you for a graduate study. I know it's shocking right.

College grad unemployment at record high

The unemployment rate for people with a college degree hit 5.1 percent in November — the highest it’s been in 40 years, the Economic Policy Institute in Washington, D.C. reported Friday.

A total of 2.4 million college graduates age 25 and older are out of work nationwide, EPI economist Heidi Shierholz said.

More than 408,500 residents in the Sacramento region are 25 and older and have bachelor’s degrees or higher, according to U.S. Census data. If the 5.1 percent unemployed figure holds true for Sacramento, that means more than 20,800 college grads are out of work.

The labor market sputtered last month and the hoped-for progress is not materializing, Shierholz said in a news release. The national unemployment rate rose to 9.8 percent.

The bleak jobs report also hit another grim benchmark.

At 19 months, this downturn matches the longest stretch since World War II with an unemployment rate of 9 percent or more.

In the recession that began in 1981, the unemployment rate was at 9 percent or more for exactly 19 months. At the tail end of that period, however, the unemployment rate was already falling fast, Shierholz said.

“Today’s situation stands in start contrast, with the unemployment rate expected to remain at over 9 percent through at least 2011,” she said.

Wow 5.15% it's even lower than your last article and it does not even proof what you were saying and implying.

College Grads Flood U.S. Labor Market With Diminished Prospects

By Mike Dorning

May 19 (Bloomberg) -- Ten months after graduating from Ohio State University with a civil-engineering degree and three internships, Matt Grant finally has a job -- as a banquet waiter at a Clarion Inn near Akron, Ohio.

“It’s discouraging right now,” said the 24-year-old, who sent out more than 100 applications for engineering positions. “It’s getting closer to the Class of 2010, their graduation date. I’m starting to worry more.”

Schools from Grant’s alma mater to Harvard University will soon begin sending a wave of more than 1.6 million men and women with bachelor’s degrees into a labor market with a 9.9 percent jobless rate, according to the Education and Labor departments. While the economy is improving, unemployment is near a 26-year high, rising last month from 9.7 percent in January-March as more Americans entered the workforce.

The graduates’ plight has been the subject of high-level discussions within President Barack Obama’s administration, which so far has concluded the best response is to focus on reviving overall employment and bolstering assistance for higher education, said Peter Orszag, the White House budget director.

“What’s clear is that there is harm to those who graduate at the wrong time through no fault of their own, which is one reason why it is so important to improve the jobs market,” Orszag said. “That is the bottom line here.”

The scramble for jobs may depress earnings of new and recent college graduates for years to come and handicap their future career opportunities, according to Lisa Kahn, an assistant professor of economics at Yale University’s School of Management in New Haven, Connecticut. It also might hurt Democrats in the November Congressional elections, as the young voters who helped propel the party to power in 2008 grow disenchanted with their economic prospects.

Wage Losses

Students who graduated in the early 1980s -- when two recessions drove unemployment to a peak of 10.8 percent -- suffered wage losses of more than $100,000 in the next 15 years compared with those who came into the job market during the decade’s boom years, according to Kahn’s research.

“They get shifted down into a lower level and lower pay scale,” she said. “They are working for worse firms, they’re not learning as many skills and they’re not moving up the career pyramid as quickly.”

The average salary offered to bachelor’s degree candidates this year is $47,673, 1.7 percent less than 2009, when the economy already was in recession, according to data compiled from campus job-placement offices by the National Association of Colleges and Employers in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania.

Increasing Competition

“More so in the last year to 18 months than at any time, we have seen applicants from prior graduating classes looking for the kind of entry-level jobs we’re recruiting for,” said Dan Black, director of campus recruiting for Ernst & Young LLP, a professional-services firm headquartered in New York. “There are a lot more cohorts competing with each other: ‘09 with ‘10, probably ‘10 with ‘11.”

Unemployment among people under 25 years old was 19.6 percent in April, the highest level since the Labor Department began tracking the data in 1948. Their economic travails may haunt Democrats in the November midterm elections. The youthful voters who helped propel the party to victory in the 2006 Congressional elections and gave the 2008 Obama campaign much of its vibrancy are showing signs of waning enthusiasm.

Democrats held a 62 percent to 30 percent advantage over Republicans in 2008 among “millennials,” born after 1980, according to the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press in Washington D.C. Their 32-point margin shrank to 18 points this year, with 55 percent leaning Democratic and 37 percent Republican, based on polls taken from January through April.

Less Excitement

“It’s definitely tamped down the energy and the excitement and activism that the Obama campaign had sparked among that entry-level age group,” said Democratic strategist Joe Trippi, who advised Howard Dean’s 2004 campaign and is working with candidates in several midterm races.

Even graduates of elite and graduate universities feel the impact. A new listserv of “Hot Opportunities” Harvard’s career-services office began compiling in March garnered 1,000 student subscribers in its first two days.

“This is the first year we have seen such a demand for our services this close to graduation,” said Robin Mount, director of the office in Cambridge, Massachusetts.

Thirty-three percent of Harvard’s graduating seniors had accepted a job as of commencement last year, down from 51 percent the year before. The survey results for this year’s class haven’t been released.

On-campus recruiting at schools of business declined 65 percent during the fall job-interview season, according to the MBA Career Services Council in Tampa, Florida. Peter Giulioni, assistant dean and executive director of MBA Career Services at the University of Southern California’s Marshall School of Business in Los Angeles, said he is encouraging this year’s graduates to be more flexible in the jobs they seek.

“Whereas in the past maybe 10 percent of my students had to go with their Plan B, about 30 percent are now,” he said.

--Editors: Melinda Grenier, Christopher Wellisz

To contact the reporter on this story: Mike Dorning in Washington at [email protected]

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Christopher Wellisz at [email protected]

Shockers, it's not like we've been through the biggest economical crisis since the depression.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Ways to help armenia

What are you saying???? Are you drunk? you're not even making sense, which part is an emotional reponse and to what?

What I'm saying is that you're response is filled with emotional garbage that doesn't have any substance.

No, it won't solve the problem, but it will ease the situation of our compatriots living in the homeland. 20 dollars won't kill you, but you will make the difference in their lives of being able to put bread and butter on the table.

How long can that situations of dependency last? You know what that means right? It means that those people won't be able to survive when the money stops coming. They depend on that money to survive. That is what needs to change by creating jobs in Armenia, that is the solutions to the problem not sending 20$ to make yourself sleep better at night.

As i'm sure you've invested millions already, but most individuals either can't or simply won't invest thousands of dollars. The point of my thread was how the every day diasporan Armenian can with little effort actually help armenia in a meaningful way. You can hold on to your millions.

Every day Armenians don't give a hoot about Armenia, most of them want to stay as far away from it as they can. They give 20$ like you to silence their conscience and keep living their comfortable life in the West.

By all means, be my guest, I encourage you, but most Armenians either can't or won't because it's too much. My suggestions don't require too much effort on their part.

Yes let's not do anything except make ourselves feel better, that will improve Armenia and the condition it is in right now.

helping out people in need is not creating dependency. What you're saying is let's punish them because they can't find work. It's not their fault theres no work you. Furthermore, If that's your attitute, keep your filthy money to yourself, and stop distrubing my thread. A major hinderance to the armenian state and economy first of all comes from hard headed idiots like yourself who must open their stupid mouths and comment on everything because they know it all.

Yes it creates dependency, if the money stops they don't have anyway of surviving that is what dependency is. What needs to be done is creation of jobs not make ourselves feel better by giving money. Insults keep coming thank you for proving that you aren't able to discuss a topic like an adult.

"karothegreat"... shows how highly you think of yourself.. karo the my left nut is more like it.

You are so funny to bad you know nothing about economics or developing a country but only want to make your self feel better. I know why you made this thread, you made it so that people can come and tell you what a great job you are doing. What is there in the distance is it a bird? Is it a plane? -No it's Artsakh getting banned.

If you have a problem with sponsoring families, then donate to patriotic organizations, do you have any objections towards that? i can give you the address for the hay ariakan miabanutyun, you can be a benefactor and help fund their patriotic activities, and actually do something, or you can continue talking.

I don't think I need advice from a stranger on the internet how to use my money. Because that is all you are a stranger on a forum.

you have a problem with giving to faimiless, then give to churches, give to orphanges. are you opposed to that as well. If you have nothing constructive to add, don't disturb my thread like a turk. If youve got constructive suggestions, be my guest.

I give constructive suggestions that can easily be done and that will have a real effect on Armenia. Giving money will not help anyone except the people getting it. That is just preserving the status-quo not fixing it. Like I said if you aren't part of the solutions you are a part of the problem.

You keep on visioning, meanwhile diasporan patriots are doing some real work, like building schools, building roads, building hospitals and helping out families of freedom fighters.

They are doing what I'm telling you to do, invest in the country. Now it's time to help people who want to start businesses, give them the start capital, give them the know-how. Control that the money is being used for the intended purposes. That is what will help Armenia.

when it comes to the average armenian family living abroad, not everyone has the means or desires to help out in such a huge way as you foolishly and laughable suggest. however, by buying products made in armenia, by visiting armenia and spending tourist dollars there, and/or buy sponsoring a family in armenia with as little as 20dollars a month, they can help armenia in little but meaningful ways without causing a financial strain on themselves.

If someone can pay the 500$ each for the ticket and all the other expenses to visit Armenia they can miss a 500$ a year. The problem is that they don't want to help Armenia they just want to make themselves feel better. I agree visiting and buying Armenian products is helping Armenian products but sponsoring is not helping Armenia, it helps the family you are helping, full stop. On a state level it creates a dependency towards people living abroad and that needs to end. Armenia needs to evolve in a state that can sustain itself and take care of it's population.

I am quite surprised that you aren't aware of the condition facing the citizens of the United States. And the unemployment problem isn't regarding just college graduates. All sectors, all industries are suffering severly. Perhaps you're not aware of all the teacher layoffs??? all the downsizing that has resulted in millions of jobs lost? perhaps you're not aware of all the homes people lost. well, that's ok, your mommy takes care of you and provides your roof and meals, so you really don't have to worry about that much.

Those insults they are so funny, and the fact that you think you are some kind of big shot that knows everything. It's not that the US had the worst economical crisis since the depression is it?

and you know what????????????

these people that become unemployed and unable to find new work, do you know what they recieved?????

they recieved government HANDOUTS in the form of UNEMPLOYMENT checks!!

and do you know what would happen if they didn't recive these government handouts?

they'd have no option but to face homelessness and hunger.

and this is the united states we're talking about buddy. so next time u open ur big fat mouth, think and know what ur talking about first.

You know why they get unemployment checks? Because they were employed for years and payed taxes. They are getting what they are due. It is not handouts, only people who have been employed and payed their taxes get unemployment checks. But no one can expect you to know how social security works can they?
What is the US government doing? Are they handing out money to everyone? No after 6 months their unemployment checks even stops coming. The government creates jobs, creates an atmosphere where jobs can be created. They don't hand out money to all the people. Because they know that on th long run that will help no one and even weaken the US but we can not expect you to understand this can we?

[Artsakh]

Re: Ways to help armenia

You just have an answer for everything don't you, you hard headed bull dog?

be a good little boy and go wash your mommy's dishes. once your mommy stops changing you dipers, then you can come here and talk about matters that are bigger than your head.

You're not even aware of the economic condition of the US, and you're talking about far off Armenia.

read those articles again, you obviously just looked at percentage signs (and the reason they're difference is because theyre from different times)

In actuality, those percentages don't matter the slighest bit; the fact is there's NO jobs, period.

Unemployment is sitting on ur Asssss and getting government handouts without having to work for it; do you know why the gov't gives these handouts? because they would not have any other source of revenue to live off of, it's as simple as that.

[Artsakh]

Re: Ways to help armenia

American college grads can't buy a job

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDqboEt1tx0

I wonder what these millions of college grads who can't find a job to support themselves would do if their parents refused to let them back home, and refused to help them financially, on the basis that "it would create depenendency."

What other options do they? THERE ARE SIMPLY NO JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!