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Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

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  • Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

    hi there haven't been posting for a long time hope you didn't forget me
    I opened this tread to ask a simple and short question.
    Regardless the tactical choises we took in 1991 and declared Artsakh independant republic. What do you thing will be best for Armenia Artsakh and Armenians if we did have the choice independant Artsakh or union with Armenia?

    I donno if you have discussed this issue hope not. Looking forward for your replies
    cheers

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    Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

    definitely miyatsum, with division there is weakness, in unity there's strength.
    Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
    ---
    "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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      Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

      De facto miatsum, de jure angakhoutyoun. When Artsakh gets recognised independent from Azerbaijan eventually, having de jure two Armenian states is not bad because we get twice as much legal power in all kinds of organisations, including that arms treaty that limits how much weaponry you can have in your country. Of course, in reality Artsakh would have a symbiotic relationship with Armenia, it just would not be on paper.

      Regardless, whichever the case, we win.
      Azerbaboon: 9.000 Google hits and counting!

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        Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

        The only way I see Artaskh wanting to be separate is if someone like Levon takes power. They know very well that given their size and population the way to go in the future is to be part of Armenia, however, we have to on paper until a deal is reached separate ourselves and say that Karabakh wants independence from Azerbaijan.
        Մեկ Ազգ, Մեկ Մշակույթ
        ---
        "Western Assimilation is the greatest threat to the Armenian nation since the Armenian Genocide."

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        • #5
          Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

          One is good, two is better.....we should go for a third one and set a new standard on Sovereignty of an ethic group as its commonly known today.

          But seriously I am not against two states infact it might be good and as Federate explained it has its advantages.
          B0zkurt Hunter

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          • #6
            Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

            Originally posted by Federate View Post
            De facto miatsum, de jure angakhoutyoun. When Artsakh gets recognised independent from Azerbaijan eventually, having de jure two Armenian states is not bad because we get twice as much legal power in all kinds of organisations, including that arms treaty that limits how much weaponry you can have in your country. Of course, in reality Artsakh would have a symbiotic relationship with Armenia, it just would not be on paper.

            Regardless, whichever the case, we win.

            Two seats (votes) at the UN would be useful.
            Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
            Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
            Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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              Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

              Having two independant state may cause some problems loo at Arab states they have 22 independant state and the 23rd is on its way but they hate each other. In case of Armenians my idea is to have 2 independant state recognized by UN as Federate and londontsi put it but I wanna go one step further. 2 states with the stablishment of an EU like even better Armenian Union making these two independant countries as one country

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              • #8
                Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

                Two independent states will on the long-run have negative consequences. It will divide our people, and foreign countries will have two different "countries" to infiltrate, stir things up, or even cause tensions between Armenians and "Artsakhians". It is "common knowledge" that after independence, Artsakh will hold a referendum to reunite with Armenia, I think this is also the correct path. It's even hard to unite Armenians living in Yerevan or Gyumri for example.

                And about the weapons treaty, the world doesn't give a xxxx. The UN is a non-functioning, corrupt, biased system.

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                • #9
                  Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

                  Originally posted by Hye View Post
                  Having two independant state may cause some problems loo at Arab states they have 22 independant state and the 23rd is on its way but they hate each other.

                  Although what you say is true as far as the Arabs, in reality they are not the same people
                  but just Arab speaking, hangover from the Arab Empire with its driving ideology,
                  the Arabization and Islamization of the conquered countries and its people with brutal force.
                  Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
                  Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
                  Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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                  • #10
                    Re: Miyatsum Gam Angakhoutyoun

                    Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
                    One is good, two is better.....we should go for a third one and set a new standard on Sovereignty of an ethic group as its commonly known today.

                    But seriously I am not against two states infact it might be good and as Federate explained it has its advantages.
                    One nation and two voices at UN.

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