Regional geopolitics

[lampron]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Not that anyone here is claiming that the West is any better than Russia, but the historical fact of the matter is that the West devised the partition of Turkey that culminated in the Treaty of Sevres. Armenia, with access to the black sea, was recognized by leading world powers and the Turkish government itself. That the treaty did not materialize had to do with the counterrevolution under Ataturk that overthrew the legitimate government of Turkey, rejected the treaty, and fought back against the West. In fact, Turkey secured weapons directly from Russia in its fight against western powers.




As far as the boundaries between Soviet Armenia and Turkey goes, the boundaries were determined between Moscow and Turkey directly in the Treaties of Moscow and Kars where Russia handed over kars, Ardahan, Surmalu, and Mount Ararat to the Turks. The treaty of Laussane simply re-affirmed this arrangement between the Turks and Russians.



Wow, that's interesting... What was the name of this general? While such a thing did not actually happen, yes the Russian base served as a restraining factor for the Turks. At the same time, however, realize that the Russians hand their hands full themselves in Chechnya, and Turkish involvement in Chechnya, as well as Azerbaijan, was there all along.

Wow,amazing. You forgot? What's the name of the general? Look it up on the internet
The Treaty of Lausanne does not talk of any boundaries ! Armenia is simply not mentioned in the Treaty!! Get it? It replaced Sevres! Look it up of the internet before positing again!
The Treaty of Sevres was only for dreamers. No one was interested in applying it. One more time, none of the signatories would stop Kemal from finishing off Armenia once and for all!
Here's a question. What stopped Armenia from implementing the Treat of Sevres? According to our friend Hakob, for centuries Armenians had been amazing warriors

[Vrej1915]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Wow,amazing. You forgot? What's the name of the general? Look it up on the internet
The Treaty of Lausanne does not talk of any boundaries ! Armenia is simply not mentioned in the Treaty!! Get it? It replaced Sevres! Look it up of the internet before positing again!
The Treaty of Sevres was only for dreamers. No one was interested in applying it. One more time, none of the signatories would stop Kemal from finishing off Armenia once and for all!
Here's a question. What stopped Armenia from implementing the Treat of Sevres? According to our friend Hakob, for centuries Armenians had been amazing warriors

The Treaty of Sevres was not implemented, since when it was signed, Armenia was invaded by Turkish and Russian armies, simultaneously, and in full coordination.
Just like Poland was invaded by German and Russian armies in 1939.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Regional geopolitics

No. Don't twist history. Armenia was attacked in September 1920 by Kemal. Soviet Russia intervened when the Armenia was close to collapsing two months later

Just as Russian invasion of Poland was delayed by two months from the German one....
Ever heard of Molotov/Ribbentrop? Lenin/Kemal??

On who's orders were the Armenian bolshevik traitors sabotaging the already scarce efforts of the Armenian first Republic? Who instructed them to open the gates for invading Karabekir armies in Kars, ....., and why??

[lampron]

Re: Regional geopolitics

The Treaty of Sevres was not implemented, since when it was signed, Armenia was invaded by Turkish and Russian armies, simultaneously, and in full coordination.
Just like Poland was invaded by German and Russian armies in 1939.

No. Don't twist history. Armenia was attacked in September 1920 by Kemal. Soviet Russia intervened when Armenia was close to collapsing two months later
Simon Vratsyan the last Armenian PM was sending desperate telegrams to his "friends" in London and Paris in September...but receiving no reply. He was asking them to stop Kemal. There was no Soviet Russia involved at that time

[lampron]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Just as Russian invasion of Poland was delayed by two months from the German one....
Ever heard of Molotov/Ribbentrop? Lenin/Kemal??

On who's orders were the Armenian bolshevik traitors sabotaging the already scarce efforts of the Armenian first Republic? Who instructed them to open the gates for invading Karabekir armies in Kars, ....., and why??

When in doubt, blame Bolsheviks! When that fails, blame Armenia's geography!
Why were Armenia's "friends" who had all the intelligence, not warning Armenia of Kemal's preparations to invade?
Armenia became anti-Russian after the Treaty of Sevres because they thought they had "won" powerful friends in the west. Are you surprised that Russia cooled off Armenia?

[Vrej1915]

Re: Regional geopolitics

No. Don't twist history. Armenia was attacked in September 1920 by Kemal. Soviet Russia intervened when Armenia was close to collapsing two months later
Simon Vratsyan the last Armenian PM was sending desperate telegrams to his "friends" in London and Paris in September...but receiving no reply. He was asking them to stop Kemal. There was no Soviet Russia involved at that time

Simple question, simple answer: on who's orders were the Armenian traitors acting in Kars, Alexandapol, Ijevan ...., and why ???

[Vrej1915]

Re: Regional geopolitics

When in doubt, blame Bolsheviks! When that fails, blame Armenia's geography!
Why were Armenia's "friends" who had all the intelligence, not warning Armenia of Kemal's preparations to invade?
Armenia became anti-Russian after the Treaty of Sevres because they thought they had "won" powerful friends in the west. Are you surprised that Russia cooled off Armenia?

And why should Armenia have refused Sevres ?
You defend russian self interest minded aproach, but refuse same when it comes to Armenia.
Isn't that the definition of slavemindedness??

[Eddo211]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Don't you think we don't know what you doing. You jump in every opertunity you get to lower us or pull us away from Russia.

You confuse Armenians fighting for foreign armies with Armenians fighting for Armenia
Fighting for foreign armies only means Armenians keen to serve foreigners -- slave mentality

We serve the military just like other do. we see it as our duty to defend our host country, an honor.....Just like Turks and Azeris fight side by side with ISIS for example. Who is the coward.

Sardarabad, yes, don't forget Sardarabad was Russia empire when the battle took place and it was Armenians serving in the Russian army leading in Sardarabad
Was Sardarabad a victory? The ottoman army continued marching to Baku massacring tens of thousands of Armenians along the way

Even though Armenians were fighting for Russia in this fight they knew the terrain the best and had a beef with Hamidian massacres and others. Your dear Pasha just barely got away. He didn't march to Baku, he started the Genocide on the Armenians none wiser what going on.
Your Armies attempt to reach your WWI allies were delayed enough by Armenians that it was enough for Turkey to loose the war.
Armenians akmost sacked Baku but were told by the Wst to stop and our lands will be returned.
You killed tens of thousands of Armenian women children elderly and wounded on your wat to meet the real Armenian fighters

[lampron]

Re: Regional geopolitics

And why should Armenia have refused Sevres ?
You defend russian self interest minded aproach, but refuse same when it comes to Armenia.
Isn't that the definition of slavemindedness??

Who says anyone should have refused Treaty of Sevres? It was the best thing that happened
But making an enemy of another of your neighbors, based on theoretical support from thousands of miles away is the most stupid thing you can do.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Thank you! Now we have answered all questions!
1.Armenians have been powerful warriors for centuries
2.Russians are our enemies and today we would have an Armenian state from the Mediterranean to the Caspian if it wasn't for them. It's all Russia's fault (and the bolsheviks)
3.The "civilized" west was, is and will be our eternal friend!

Now let's discuss shopping, travel, weather etc!

When short of argument, misinterpret or put words in the month of others....