Regional geopolitics

[lampron]

Re: Regional geopolitics

5- It is typical slave mentality, to think, that if you are a good slave, your master will treat well. Never. Never with Turks, never with Russians. Perhaps elswhere, but never with t

But you and the foreign-funded publications in Armenia are choosing to be the slaves of much worse masters than the Russians!
You want to be slaves of the powers that did nothing to stop Kemal when he was outside Yerevan, and the same powers that never condemned Sumgait, and never condemned the invasion of Karabakh, never condemned the Turkish blockade, the same powers that invested billions in to Azerbaijan, the same powers that will never Turkey to get out of Cyprus

And our allies did not swing even their fingers as turkey invaded and almost wiped us out.
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On the contrary, England made sure that Georgia, another ally, which was more richer and better situated, got a big chunk from us, javakhq.
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Britain backstabbing Greece just before the battle of Sakaria by cutting ammunition supplies and refusing to continue using British ships carrying them between Greek and Turkish ports? While 2 years before Lloyd George had promised Greeks an unconditional support in war and territories?

You want to kick Russia till to Volgograd? Do it. With what? With whose help? Wests? Nato's
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Rusdiphile you say...

Yes definitely ! He is relying on NATO
Anyone who supports the Russian base in Armenia is now a Russophile. This is the slogan of anti-Russia campaigners like Pashinyan, Muradyan
The Greek front collapsed against Kemal when Greece's British "aalies" stop lending money to the Greek side. France was already campaigning for kemal
It was British, French, Italian, American warships (not Russian warships) just outside Izmir (Smyrna) that stood by with orders not to intervene while Kemal was slaughtering tens of thousands of the city's Christians right in front of their eyes in 1922

[Vrej1915]

Re: Regional geopolitics

But you and the fo///// 1922

My dear, if I get you well, russian funded media are not foreign funded?

[lampron]

Re: Regional geopolitics

My dear, if I get you well, russian funded media are not foreign funded?

Is that the only point you can make? Yes they are, but tell us the %. How many times more are US and EU funded publications ?

How is Armenia buying weapons without Russian loans? You are complaining about that?

[Vrej1915]

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Is that the only point you can make? Yes they are, but tell us the %. How many times more are US and EU funded publications ?

How is Armenia buying weapons without Russian loans? You are complaining about that?

So if russian funded sites are foreign, why should we accept the russian propaganda you promote, more than the western one you suspect as casual pro russian in everything non russian????

[lampron]

Re: Regional geopolitics

So if russian funded sites are foreign, why should we accept the russian propaganda you promote, more than the western one you suspect as casual pro russian in everything non russian????

So you support the propaganda that the Russian base must be closed?

[Vrej1915]

Re: Regional geopolitics

So you support the propaganda that the Russian base must be closed?

You begin putting words in the mouth of others.
Let's try versus.
So you support suppression of Armenian language and return of russian language as official one?

[Hakob]

Re: Regional geopolitics

I don't believe that west is ever or will isolate turkey. Even with 50% isolation turkey can finish us off. Why? Because as the history has shown nobody in the west has done anything during numerous genocidial or ethnic cleansing campignes that Turks did. How many times in past 100-150 years? Against us, Greeks, Assyrians, alawites, Kurds. 20-50 times? And isn't it enough to show a pattern of euro/Turkish relations?
So the constant theme of US/Europe isolation or anti Turkish actions ever happening is a big BS spreading by mouradian and his cohorts. My frustration is, that it is a big hit balloon that is very damaging for our people as a thing that is repeated over and over can eventually be believed and trusted as truth and relied upon.
Any meaningful action by NATO, leading to Armenia's sustained independence and solving issues with turkey/Azerbaijan a balloon full of BS.
So what's left? What is this moron mouradian writing about in his lengthy articles? Blaming our government of loosing "opporunities" "chances" etc... Is outmost BS and propaganda. For what? Whom?
Event if Russia was the savior of Turks for 500 years, and Europe and US the biggest enemies with Turks, it would be the biggest mistake for tiny Armenia to let itself fall in the middle of Russia/west conflict. Turks would still finish us off if Russians agreed with them or cooperated together.
So any talk about west is big bs for us.
Second, are the Russians and Turks cooperating together? Are they allied in any way about Ukraine, Crimea, Syria, ISIS, Georgia, Chechnya, gas oil lines in Caucasus, Russia's problems with NATO and west?
Are we blind?
So what makes anybody think that they will cooperate about Artsakh? Just so we loose it? What will Russia gain? Or let me put it this way, if Russia gains anything, then what? Are the Russians so shortsighted? Will helping Turks get Artsakh make Russia an ally with Turks?
Everything is so clear.
Cut the crap Vrej...

[Armynia]

Re: Regional geopolitics

It is typical slave mentality, to think, that if you are a good slave, your master will treat well. Never.

Even with 50% isolation turkey can finish us off.

This is a typical slave mentality, and it is our fault.

Just like our brother Mher say's <<եթե զենք ել չլինի' ես քարերով կկրվեմ>> This is typical Patriot mentality

[Hakob]

Re: Regional geopolitics

This is a typical slave mentality, and it is our fault.

Just like our brother Mher say's <<եթե զենք ել չլինի' ես քարերով կկրվեմ>> This is typical Patriot mentality

So, thinking about possiblility without bs'es, and criticizing adventurism and harmful and empty idealism coupled with falcifull propaganda is slave mentality?
How many paper tigers are here... You guys that have no idea what is slave mentality and never even shook finger in reality for Armenia, pretending to be free?
Or fighting with stones is a free mindedness for you? For me it is a stupidity.
To be ready to use even a stone when nothing is there, good. But letting it happen because of shortsigtedness is wrong.
Your type has let the real propagandists lead you from your noses too many times by playing with fears and some false convictions.
100 years ago communists were calling slave minded to whoever did not agree in destroying anything that they considered burjua or capitalist(all the values).
Now you guys shake your heads in agreement to any crap that apparatchiks are dropping on media, thinking that you are chasing the shadow of slave mindedness.
Who are you guys to play with existence of our people because you convinced yourself that you are feeing the slaves? Who are you that reserve yourself the right to call the ones who don't agree slaves?
How many Enger Panjunee's are running around here?

[Haykakan]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Good posts there Hakob! Slave mentality should never be confused with rational pragmatism. Only by making rational decisions based on the best information available can we feel good about ourselves and our future.