Regional geopolitics

[Azad]

Re: Regional geopolitics

But they had properties of their own too ... Turks eventually managed to develop them into profitable businesses

turks are not a people, they are a forced union of the regional people. Either we join that union by becoming turks or we keep and praise our existence.
You should try to figure out why Armenians integrate by choice and lose their identity in Christian nations/unions and do not do so well in islamic ones.
By the way "they" never had any properties since "they" is an ideology of a union, and not a people. They will become a people in a millennia.

[Azad]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Yes they stole the properties of massacred minorities. But they had properties of their own too

http://www.horizonweekly.ca/news/details/98272

[lampron]

Re: Regional geopolitics

turks are not a people, they are a forced union of the regional people. Either we join that union by becoming turks or we keep and praise our existence.
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The Ottomans were a successful empire like the Arab, Byzantine and Russian empires. Human beings are attracted to successful empires
Some Armenians and others were forced to join the Ottomans. Others joined because they wanted to be with the winners!
The commander of the ottoman forces during the Crimean campaign 150 years ago was a Serbian who moved to the Ottoman empire from the Austrian empire, converted to Islam moved up the military structure and became "Omar Pasha"
Many years ago young Armenians in Lebanon could be seen enthusiastically chanting Arab songs and Arab slogans (probably imitating young Arabs in their neighborhoods). Arab expressions gave them inspiration. They felt proud identifying with a strong community that is spread from the Atlantic to the Persian Gulf
Did belonging to the Armenian community give them the same inspiration?

[Azad]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Others joined because they wanted to be with the winners!

You are correct people want to be with the winner to support their family and existence. Reason why this guy is headed back to Armenia the winner for now.

http://www.horizonweekly.ca/news/details/98272

Many years ago young Armenians in Lebanon could be seen enthusiastically chanting Arab songs and Arab slogans

Weird logic to post. You should see the Armenians in France chanting French songs. The heck, they even wrote thousands of french song (Aznavour).

[lampron]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Weird logic to post. You should see the Armenians in France chanting French songs. .

Only to be expected! In America they do the same. And in Russia, And in Iran. In fact probably the majority in Armenia would prefer to become Americans, Russians, Canadians, French, British, Italian, Swiss...They would like Armenianism as a hobby, just as it is for the majority of Armenians living outside Armenia and Karabakh

[Azad]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Armenianism as a hobby

Maybe most do and that is their choice in life. You should find your happiness instead of being negative all the time. You can renounce your Armenian identity (if you are one) and move on if that will make you happy.
Be a turk, kurd or Chinese as long you find your happiness. Trying to pick on all the Armenian negativity isn't going to lead you anywhere. Unless you have a different agenda.

[lampron]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Maybe most do and that is their choice in life. You should find your happiness instead of being negative all the time. You can renounce your Armenian identity (if you are one) and move on if that will make you happy.
Be a turk, kurd or Chinese as long you find your happiness. Trying to pick on all the Armenian negativity isn't going to lead you anywhere. Unless you have a different agenda.

It's the reality, whether we like it or not.
Recognizing the reality, instead of being carried away in wishful thinking, is the first step for a better future

[Azad]

Re: Regional geopolitics

It's the reality, whether we like it or not.
Recognizing the reality, instead of being carried away in wishful thinking, is the first step for a better future

Yes, as in focusing on the one eye that is blind on the body and constantly complaining about that eye. By now we all know that eye is blind and as you said it is a reality. Can we focus on the rest of the body that can be productive?

[lampron]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Yes, as in focusing on the one eye that is blind on the body and constantly complaining about that eye. By now we all know that eye is blind and as you said it is a reality. Can we focus on the rest of the body that can be productive?

There is hope as with any other nation. Negativism is not in observing what is in front of us. But ignoring it leads to an unhealthy future

Mehmed Demir complains that the Istanbul Armenian Patriarchate does little to support Armenians still living in the provinces, regarding them as little more than liars when they claim to be Armenian.

What is the root cause of this type of conduct? Is it churchmen asserting their power at the cost of upsetting fellow Armenians? This is negativism in action!

[Azad]

Re: Regional geopolitics

Is it churchmen asserting their power at the cost of upsetting fellow Armenians? This is negativism in action!

More like a slave attitude living under the pressure of the turkish government.
It will be "how dare you convert our beloved turkic citizens to your gavour Armenian identity?"
They have to comply to the policy of the "strong" and the "winner" as you stated. Now that is a winner reality "ignoring it leads to an unhealthy future" as well.