Who owns what in Armenia

[Serjik]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

Axper jan OMG thats Monte? My bad. All his time and I thought you had an Arab fetish LOL

Yeah Armenia has a lot of painful growing pains axper jan, it sure ain't pretty over there but it aint prettier anywhere else in the region so let's not get bent out of shape. I see how my family over there suffers day to day with all sorts of stuff but its not because of this oligarch or that oligarch its because the lack of high paying jobs because of closed borders, closed factories and screwed up neighborhood. Armenia is like located in a place like in south central LA, if know what I mean LOL Our best neighbor is Iran and they are sanctioned! Thats show you bro. We can criticize and protest whats going on but no getting on Uncle Sams bandwagon to cause more demoralize and destabilization in the country by joining with western mercenaries who want to take Armenia's natural problems and use it against Armenia for political reasons. You should watch the cable tv show Who built America on History channel. Just think man one hundred years ago this wonderful place we live in place was one big sweatshop and before that a big plantation for slaves. But things change and now that they got all rich and whatnot because of their stealing and wars they want to tell other newly starting off countrys what to do and how to live? No bro, we need to do home grown grass roots activism to help Armenia and not join forces with our enemies. And we have to be critical in a positive way and be have to be patient, like Rome was not build in one day. I periodically read The Gamper by Mat Bayramian and theriseofrussia.blogspot by Arevordi. Rise of Russia's webmaster is sometimes extremistic but he make a good sense when he talks about political situations facing Armenia. You should read him. Him and Haykakan here actually changed how I think about politics. I think you should pay attention to these older men. We all hurt for Armenia and worry for her and we all know the problems overthere but we dont need foreigners like Bell telling us what to do and we dont need hysterical armos crying fire every time they dont like something. Enough bro let Armenia go through evolution. I visit my relatives in Armenia a lot and trust me bro the country is not what MSN makes it out to be. The place is slowly but surely getting better.

And this Vrej character is fake IMHO, from his comments I know he is a fake because he basically repeats everything Azeri favorite Lragir writes. This is the internet there is no old or young here because there is no way anybody can verify who is who and what is what. Like how do you know Im Serj who grew up in Glendale (Armendale LOL) and is now studying in New York? Age means nothing in the internet. Anyway instead of coming hard down on me like Im ur enemy you should be shutting the mouths of the Armenia bashers here that includes Vrej and Bell who are causing us a lot of demoralization and our homeland is depopulating because of it.

axper

First and foremost I find it disgusting that you speak like that to someone likely two to three times your age. regardless of the situation, anyone older than you deserves your respect, and you should never talk to them like that unless they have done something to you

Second of all, regardless of nationality, there are very few low lives in this world who pretend to be a veteran, and based on the way Vrej speaks and behaves, he doesn't come off to me like a person who could do that.

Third of all, you live outside of Armenia, likely in the EU/US. I find it a little hypocritical that you are mocking someone trying to improve the conditions that he is subjugated to live under, conditions which you don't have to live in. If you were to live in those conditions, and no a vacation to Armenia doesn't count, you wouldn't find it so funny

Finally, the fact that you brush off the behavior of that fat f*ck Dodi Gago and the thugs in the republican party is despicable. I find it hard to believe that you find it funny that these dirty oligarch motherf*ckers spend BILLIONS of dollars on casinos, mansions, and Lambos while there are disabled war veterans who can't get medical treatment, while there are still thousands living in shacks in Gyumri, who wouldn't be if only these motherf*ckers paid the taxes they are obligated to pay under law.

I don't know how old you were when you went to Armenia, or how long you stayed, or if you talked to anyone besides Dodi Gago, but not too many people find these conditions very funny. I don't want to be supporting Bell and his anti-armenian crap, and I usually ignore anything he says unless he manages to take it to new lows like he sometimes does, but he's not the one personally attacking and talking down to someone three times his age.


P.S the arab headgear wearing avatar pic is Monte Melkonian in Beirut in the summer of 1979

[Hakob]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

Serjik oligarchs are responsible for 75% problems in Armenia. They own most of it but are not businesspeople. Corrupt and criminal, non tax paying middle class destroying shadowy figures. There are very few countries where shadowy figures get into parliament and pass laws that benefit only their businesses and hurt population and honest business. They are holding our country from throat and chocking their millions and billions out illegally, covertly and transferring those offshore. One look at their characters individually will show who and what is our problem. They must be taken out from government's all levels, force to conduct their affairs by law and be equal to other citizens in front of law. They are part of us, part of our identity that must be changed.

[Serjik]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

Bringing up flaws of someone that is giving you advise and it running programs in your country is very important, think about it and get back to me when you figure it out. what haykakan is saying is that Armenias problems are natural and they need time to fix with all our constructivity and understanding. U think ur smarter than haykakan because you compare Armenia and the wild Kavkaz to Scandinavian countries? LOL

Bushes war had benefits for US? LOL is that why US economy collapsed in 2008? LOL is that why US is the most hated country in the world today? LOL

Bringing in an example of someone else failing, doesn't make your failures acceptable
Just because America is xxxxed up, it makes it okay for us to be xxxxed up?
Why bring in America as an example? because it's the world's most powerful country? America is powerful because it has the most enviable situation any country could have in terms of size, natural borders, natural resources, etc. Its powerful in spite of its system, not because of it. Why not live up to Sweden, to Switzerland, to New Zealand, to Finland.

Also, what Bush did might be war crimes, but strategically it had great benefits for America. Yes it was lying, yes it was crimes against humanity, yes Cheney's buddy's got rich, but through a purely ethnocentric point of view, it gave America great many benefits.

That's very much different than those in power blatantly not paying taxes that are supposed to go to the country's revenue

[Serjik]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

No bro its the other way around. What you said is just what western propaganda makes people believe. the problem is closed borders and bad neighborhood. All countrys have oligarchs. oligarchs are actually employing people. If they dont own major businesses in Armenia who is going to own them multinational corporations? Western mega companys have enough money to buy all of Armenia in one shot. I rather our businesses are owned by armos. The money problems are because of unstable political situation in the Kavkas. I learned one thing in life, dont believe everything you read.

Serjik oligarchs are responsible for 75% problems in Armenia. They own most of it but are not businesspeople. Corrupt and criminal, non tax paying middle class destroying shadowy figures. There are very few countries where shadowy figures get into parliament and pass laws that benefit only their businesses and hurt population and honest business. They are holding our country from throat and chocking their millions and billions out illegally, covertly and transferring those offshore. One look at their characters individually will show who and what is our problem

[Hakob]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

No bro its the other way around. What you said is just what western propaganda makes people believe. the problem is closed borders and bad neighborhood. All countrys have oligarchs. oligarchs are actually employing people. If they dont own major businesses in Armenia who is going to own them multinational corporations? Western mega companys have enough money to buy all of Armenia in one shot. I rather our businesses are owned by armos. The money problems are because of unstable political situation in the Kavkas. I learned one thing in life, dont believe everything you read.

Serjik, I hope other members will counter you statements, but hope you guys stay in norms about this subject. I am taking a breake, Vrej wore me out. But no offence to you, you don't inspire me to debate like Vrej does. Though with what you've said, I have 10 times more to debate. Maybe in couple of days.
You see, unlike with lot of members, It is a privilage to argue with people like Vrej, because you know, he is not going to go to personal.
I am happy that you are a patriot, Serjik and I solute you.
But on this issue you are a way off. One look at what people think about oligarkhs tells all. And people are seldom wrong. You might think that yes, but looking at problems as a country how can a certain part allwas be singled out for every problem that exists? But look at our parliament for example. Most of members(including a lot of opposition) are illiterate, just street smart, with their clans and families heavily involved in their own businesses and rackets, unpleasant, uninspiring, selfish vendors.
Our country in this hard times needs individuals like Monte, Movses Georgisyan, Leonid Azgaldian and Tatul Krpeyan, who were ready to give their lives for the country, inlike those in parliament now, that stand ready to humiliate the country for the sake of a damn lousy supermarket in order to fatten up pockets.

[Eddo211]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

Serjik bro, do you know the difference between a Patriot and a Nationalist? When you find out you can get back to us.

[londontsi]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

They own most of it but are not businesspeople.

You hit the nail on the head.

If they were businessmen by now they would have been striving for growth.

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[Serjik]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

You didnt even get the jist what I was saying and you are saying what everyone knows but there is the bigger picture that you are totally and completely blinded to because of your fetish with bad news about your homeland. No surprise for me there. You dont inspire me either bro. LOL If I listen to your kind (like old disgruntled hags gossiping and gossiping without end) I will give up assimilate very fast and totally forget about repatriating to my homeland. So go ahead talk crap about Armenia to the fake patriot that inspires you to chase your tail and wear yourself out LOL You people are just as much part of the problem in Armenia as any oligarch. keep yelling fire and see where you get. you people sound like broken records if only your tune was pleasant one maybe we can be inspired to. Anyway bro, like they say the Armenian caravan keeps going and the dogs keep braking. Keep barking and keep getting inspired by Armenia haters and fakes. LOL

Serjik, I hope other members will counter you statements, but hope you guys stay in norms about this subject. I am taking a breake, Vrej wore me out. But no offence to you, you don't inspire me to debate like Vrej does. Though with what you've said, I have 10 times more to debate. Maybe in couple of days.
You see, unlike with lot of members, It is a privilage to argue with people like Vrej, because you know, he is not going to go to personal.
I am happy that you are a patriot, Serjik and I solute you.
But on this issue you are a way off. One look at what people think about oligarkhs tells all. And people are seldom wrong. You might think that yes, but looking at problems as a country how can a certain part allwas be singled out for every problem that exists? But look at our parliament for example. Most of members(including a lot of opposition) are illiterate, just street smart, with their clans and families heavily involved in their own businesses and rackets, unpleasant, uninspiring, selfish vendors.
Our country in this hard times needs individuals like Monte, Movses Georgisyan, Leonid Azgaldian and Tatul Krpeyan, who were ready to give their lives for the country, inlike those in parliament now, that stand ready to humiliate the country for the sake of a damn lousy supermarket in order to fatten up pockets.

[Haykakan]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

There are so many misconceptions here that one does not know where to begin. Like i think the biggest misconception i read here was that somehow the Iraq war was good for USA or its people...this is a common misconception shared by many but very far from the truth. Everything that the USA does is for interest groups not its general population. Corporations like Halberton made billions but most of it was at taxpayers expense. We bombed their oil infrastructure using taxpayer money, we pay shady security companies to slaughter people with our tax dollars, then they take more tax dollars to repair the infrastructure then they bill the taxpayer and the Iraq government for the repairs. Meanwhile 2 million people died in Iraq along with many American soldiers, gas prices spiked to record levels and not wanting to be left out the bankers picked up on the whole racket and created the financial crises, yet again robing the taxpayer. Mher jan you have a lot to learn about how America "works". Non of this benefits the American people it hurts them in a huge way. America operates on special interest not national interest. Serjik may be rude and crude but he understands a few things better then most here despite his tender years. I agree with Hagop that most of us are here because we care (few individuals do seem to have questionable motives) and insulting each other is not the right thing to do but it is very hard to refrain from doing it sometimes (i myself am guilty of this). Regional/geostrategic/political issues are indeed the greatest reasons for the difficulties Armenia faces and Serjik is very much right about this because these problems do indeed trump the corruption issue but this fact does not make the corruption any less painful. Corruption has away of festering and rotting away society. Yes there is corruption in Armenia, yes Russia pursues her own interests in the region, yes there are many many issues but regardless of how messed up things get this is still Armenia and we are still Armenians. Yes we know about all of these problems and its good that we talk about them but it does no one any good to dwell on them and nothing else because there are also good things that happen but very few people talk about them and some flat out deny it. For those of you who wanted Armenia to be like America - congratulations your dream came true - now Armenia also is ruled by special interest. What your still not happy? I thought this was what you wanted...its almost funny if not for all the horrible things that result from special interest trumping national interest. As the saying goes..be careful what you wish for-you just might get it.

[Hakob]

Re: Who owns what in Armenia

Here we go with other side's radicalization. Haykakan jan if US is in sht, which I completely agree, does not ease and justify the pain in our situations that arises from actions of oligarchs. So we should accept the characters that are there? Have you considered that those people actually make our geopolitical situation 100 times more painfull and hopeless? How can you compare and justify special interest in our homeland? Who cares what happens in west or America . Worst case,will move on. But how many times a homeland can be lost ? Look at billions of dollars that are pulled out. Supermarkets bought in California or other businesses in other countries. Wealthy accounts opened offshore. And this from a country that does not yet produce it's own wealth. This is money sent home from hundreds of thousands working their asses abroad in order to feed families and keep in homeland or donated with tears of hope and dreams by other diasporans. Those are money not produced in Armenia by hard work of Oligarkhs, but stolen from mouths of kids and families by rats in government offices tru their fake businesses, kickbacks and overcharges to public. How can a bad geopolitical situation prevent from exterminating those cancer growths? On the contrary, our nation must get rid of them ASAP to survive. One day there will be an opposition group that consists of people like Monte or other heroes , that have no political ambitions but freedom from oligarchy and quietly, from shadows, like the way those rats have conducted themselfs for 25 years, one by one eliminate them. The sooner the better.