Politics in Hayastan

[Artashes]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Yes you are right.

I would like to add as an opinion with a question, whether the reason is technical ( maintenance as was announced ) or
additional pressure to succumb to the demands of Russia
to hand back territories as part of the "progressive" aim of capitulation of Karabagh.

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Thanks for the clarification.
I didn't know it was announced that it was for maintenance.
Maintenance sounds like a convenient "cover" for arm twisting. Russia tries not to be as blatant as their character has always led them to be. At least in these emmediate contemporary times.
Has a shutdown like this occurred before on systematic basis? And for how long? Is it scheduled to last longer than our reserves? Would any idiot perform such maintenance that exceeded our --- national reserves??? ---
Not the most sophisticated shuck and jive act, but what do you expect from Russia (excepting aircraft , electronics, and ak47).
Do you know if we've buckled? Do we have the ability to make the sacrifice to stand up to this?
I appreciate what Russia has done for us, but I recognize Russia's style in this. They haven't really changed either.

[londontsi]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

Thanks for the clarification.
I didn't know it was announced that it was for maintenance.
Maintenance sounds like a convenient "cover" for arm twisting. Russia tries not to be as blatant as their character has always led them to be. At least in these emmediate contemporary times.
Has a shutdown like this occurred before on systematic basis? And for how long? Is it scheduled to last longer than our reserves? Would any idiot perform such maintenance that exceeded our --- national reserves??? ---
Not the most sophisticated shuck and jive act, but what do you expect from Russia (excepting aircraft , electronics, and ak47).
Do you know if we've buckled? Do we have the ability to make the sacrifice to stand up to this?
I appreciate what Russia has done for us, but I recognize Russia's style in this. They haven't really changed either.

As you know maintenance is standard need for all equipment.
Normally there would be redundancy to bypass equipment under maintenance.

The maintenance is not in Armenia but either Georgia or Russia.

We were under a blockade by Azerbaijan during the war.

Armenia was without gas until a pipeline was laid from Russia to Armenia.
This pipeline was frequently sabotaged until we had alternative pipeline through Iran.

Russia applied pressure to lay a smaller capacity pipeline.
Not long after it acquired the pipeline.

With huge difficulties and sacrifices we won the Artsakh war.

Another sinister twist I can see is an effort to deplete our reserves before winter sets in giving Russia ability to apply immediate pressure.

The upside, if there is one, is the possibility of Russia relinquishing its monopoly of gas supply to Armenia.

So we might direct our begging bowl to Iran.

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[Artashes]

Re: Politics in Hayastan

As you know maintenance is standard need for all equipment.
Normally there would be redundancy to bypass equipment under maintenance.

The maintenance is not in Armenia but either Georgia or Russia.

We were under a blockade by Azerbaijan during the war.

Armenia was without gas until a pipeline was laid from Russia to Armenia.
This pipeline was frequently sabotaged until we had alternative pipeline through Iran.

Russia applied pressure to lay a smaller capacity pipeline.
Not long after it acquired the pipeline.

With huge difficulties and sacrifices we won the Artsakh war.

Another sinister twist I can see is an effort to deplete our reserves before winter sets in giving Russia ability to apply immediate pressure.

The upside, if there is one, is the possibility of Russia relinquishing its monopoly of gas supply to Armenia.

So we might direct our begging bowl to Iran.

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--- so we might direct our begging bowl to Iran ---
Oh that's wonderful. So they can twist our arm to fill up Urmia for their kerds, or let their "Azeris" graze their zillion sheep on our land, or, or ...
Damn.

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

we're a pawn on a very big chessboard, more than ever before.

The key is in your own sentence. We have to play chess and not be the piece that is being moved. Playing chess is to be proactive, what have we done?
Taking police stations hostage, demonstrating in the streets, challenging cops is destructive and childish at best.

[gokorik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Protest seem to be growing. They are still very small.

[gokorik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

The key is in your own sentence. We have to play chess and not be the piece that is being moved. Playing chess is to be proactive, what have we done?
Taking police stations hostage, demonstrating in the streets, challenging cops is destructive and childish at best.

I agree taking the police stationis a counterproductive act. The right to protest tho is NOT counter productive. People have a xxxing right to voice their concers.
Challenging these type of police is a riteous act. Go live in Armenia for 6 years. Tell me what you think of them then.

[haydavid]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Your post a month ago


You yourself have said there is something going on. I'm not spreading xxxx rumors. If I am so are you...

There is a difference between observing that it's calm and the situation in usual and going to forums saying that it's 100% sure land will be given back. I'm not saying you shouldn't discuss that or report the general situation and sentiment, dont get me wrong, but it's just that last weeks I get the feeling that people are talking about it like it's allready a done deal and that happens because of some pseudo-journalists spreading some xxxx news.

I just really don't like to even think about that scenario, and feel weird to see it everywhere. It's just weird.

[gokorik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

To be fair there are manny good men in the Armenian police. But ive been on the recieving end of their corruption and malicious behavior.

[gokorik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

There is a difference between observing that it's calm and the situation in usual and going to forums saying that it's 100% sure land will be given back. I'm not saying you shouldn't discuss that or report the general situation and sentiment, dont get me wrong, but it's just that last weeks I get the feeling that people are talking about it like it's allready a done deal and that happens because of some pseudo-journalists spreading some xxxx news.

I just really don't like to even think about that scenario, and feel weird to see it everywhere. It's just weird.

Ok i do see a difference but your coming at me like the consessions are 100% rumors.
I do agree its weird both situations happend so close together but ideas are contagious. Monkey see monkey do.

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I agree taking the police stationis a counterproductive act. The right to protest tho is NOT counter productive. People have a xxxing right to voice their concers.
Challenging these type of police is a riteous act. Go live in Armenia for 6 years. Tell me what you think of them then.

We get it! Cops are bunch of thieves, there is corruption and all the negative stuff, I am with you.
Now mixing it all and expect it to be fixed by demonstrating, is not going to change anything.
The real issue that started it all, is land concession. We as a nation should play chess and start thinking “Gulen” style, remotely destabilize a country like azerbaijan and not the other way around like what is happening in Armenia now. It is called instability.