Politics in Hayastan

[Artashes]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Many good arguments in the above posts.
I lean toward Hakakans/Hacobs points but still find much merit in the other points of view.
I definitely agree with Hakakans view on the difference between USA and Hayastan. The corruption in USA dwarfs the corruption in Hayastan. The corruption in Hayastan is blatant, in your face obvious. The corruption in USA is literally a million fold greater but is obfuscated by a sophistication that is accepted and condoned by general populous (not all).
Neither represent justice or decency.
Corruption is corruption no matter whether your slick(USA) or dumb (Hayastan).

[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Many good arguments in the above posts.
I lean toward Hakakans/Hacobs points but still find much merit in the other points of view.
I definitely agree with Hakakans view on the difference between USA and Hayastan. The corruption in USA dwarfs the corruption in Hayastan. The corruption in Hayastan is blatant, in your face obvious. The corruption in USA is literally a million fold greater but is obfuscated by a sophistication that is accepted and condoned by general populous (not all).
Neither represent justice or decency.
Corruption is corruption no matter whether your slick(USA) or dumb (Hayastan).

The issue is not corruption or quality of corruption.

but its consequences.

State of the economy

Foreign debt

Unemployment,

Migration, ageing population

labour leaving their families to go abroad for income

Family stability.

Abject poverty, 20% of kids go to bed without food

etc etc.

The stability of the state is dependent on the economy.

If there is systematic theft how can the state survive.

Considering vultures hovering above us Turkey, Russia, baboonistan, each with their own interests.

To say US has corruption is simply missing the point.
The US may have its own dangers but never its existence.

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[HyeSocialist]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Many good arguments in the above posts.
I lean toward Hakakans/Hacobs points but still find much merit in the other points of view.
I definitely agree with Hakakans view on the difference between USA and Hayastan. The corruption in USA dwarfs the corruption in Hayastan. The corruption in Hayastan is blatant, in your face obvious. The corruption in USA is literally a million fold greater but is obfuscated by a sophistication that is accepted and condoned by general populous (not all).
Neither represent justice or decency.
Corruption is corruption no matter whether your slick(USA) or dumb (Hayastan).

I think you're confusing a lot of things together. In the USA, when you go to the DMV, or start a business, or go to pay your taxes, or even go to court, you are most definitely aware of your rights. The law is written somewhere and it is practiced. I don't think you would argue with that. You can't bribe your way out of a DUI, your coffee shop won't get smashed by police or rival thugs, or anything like that. It's really unbelievable that you are comparing a country like the United States, its institutions, with that of a country like Armenia. The US has institutions that function phenomenally well, such as the state department and the department of defense. Does Armenia's foreign ministry operate as well as the US department of state? Do you not remember Electric Yerevan? Do America's utilities rip you off the same way those in Armenia do?

[haydavid]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Are people really , really comparing any Western country to Armenia ?
In what Armenia do you live or what world? It's impossible to be THAT blind.

Another backer of madmen. Good god, I understand the hatred for the government, but to want to burn the nation to the ground through a civil war? Thats just silly. You are also dreaming if you believe they could have left that building alive with hundreds of AKMs, if there were even that many AKMs inside a police station.


One of the greatest Englishmen of all time once said this:

"If you're going through hell, keep going."


If you truly want to see Armenia crawl out of the hole that it is in, the only thing that could right the situation is a military coup akin to the 2014 Thai coup. Establishment of a nationalistic junta is needed. Not a "peoples revolution" led by a fuqing Fedayi cosplayer and his friends. Get out of here with that crap.

You are saying that I am dreaming while at you are calling for a '2014 Thai coup ' ? I say it once again , those guys are not politicians. They didn't think this enough. Of course I know that they had little chance to arm the population , that's why I said that it's a big chance wasted.
"fuqing Fedayi cosplayer and his friends" ; Without those "Fedayi cosplayers" you wouldn't be able to brag about Artsakh/Armenia in your Los Armenianos state.
"burn the nation to the ground through a civil war" What alternatives do you see at this point ? People are literally starving.
You have no idea how people are living in Armenia , do you ?

[Artashes]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

The issue is not corruption or quality of corruption.

but its consequences.

State of the economy

Foreign debt

Unemployment,

Migration, ageing population

labour leaving their families to go abroad for income

Family stability.

Abject poverty, 20% of kids go to bed without food

etc etc.

The stability of the state is dependent on the economy.

If there is systematic theft how can the state survive.

Considering vultures hovering above us Turkey, Russia, baboonistan, each with their own interests.

To say US has corruption is simply missing the point.
The US may have its own dangers but never its existence.

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I think you're confusing a lot of things together. In the USA, when you go to the DMV, or start a business, or go to pay your taxes, or even go to court, you are most definitely aware of your rights. The law is written somewhere and it is practiced. I don't think you would argue with that. You can't bribe your way out of a DUI, your coffee shop won't get smashed by police or rival thugs, or anything like that. It's really unbelievable that you are comparing a country like the United States, its institutions, with that of a country like Armenia. The US has institutions that function phenomenally well, such as the state department and the department of defense. Does Armenia's foreign ministry operate as well as the US department of state? Do you not remember Electric Yerevan? Do America's utilities rip you off the same way those in Armenia do?

(Londontsi) --- (1) vultures hovering, (2) USA not in danger of collapse.
You specifically point to Russia/terks/baboons as hovering above us for our demise. I think if USA/England/euro had any opportunity to sell us down the road for their personal gain, they'd do that with a finality and speed that the others have yet to accomplish.
USA is closer to collapse in my estimation than you discribe. Between the divide amongst the population and the stunning debt, this country (USA) is fractured grossly.
HyeSocialist --- do Americas electric utilities rip you off like Armenians?
Lol. Different style but yes, they do. Have you forgotten the California electric fiasco that indebted the --- ENTIRE --- state of California??? Who went to jail for that? Was any of the billions recovered?? Has California ever recovered???
As I pointedly said, USA corruption is sly while Hayastan corruption is blatantly on the surface.
The corruption in the USA defense dept adds up to over a trillion $$$ (conservative). The USA citizens paid through the nose and suffered greatly in quality of life standard.
Your calling criminal conduct as superior because it's a different clown act than Hayastans, but there is no difference except USA is literally a million times worse in its totality.

[HyeSocialist]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

(Londontsi) --- (1) vultures hovering, (2) USA not in danger of collapse.
You specifically point to Russia/terks/baboons as hovering above us for our demise. I think if USA/England/euro had any opportunity to sell us down the road for their personal gain, they'd do that with a finality and speed that the others have yet to accomplish.
USA is closer to collapse in my estimation than you discribe. Between the divide amongst the population and the stunning debt, this country (USA) is fractured grossly.
HyeSocialist --- do Americas electric utilities rip you off like Armenians?
Lol. Different style but yes, they do. Have you forgotten the California electric fiasco that indebted the --- ENTIRE --- state of California??? Who went to jail for that? Was any of the billions recovered?? Has California ever recovered???
As I pointedly said, USA corruption is sly while Hayastan corruption is blatantly on the surface.
The corruption in the USA defense dept adds up to over a trillion $$$ (conservative). The USA citizens paid through the nose and suffered greatly in quality of life standard.
Your calling criminal conduct as superior because it's a different clown act than Hayastans, but there is no difference except USA is literally a million times worse in its totality.

How much do you pay for electricity right now and do you think you're getting ripped off? How much do you pay for water and do you think you're getting ripped off? When was the last time you tried to import anything into the United States? Did you get stopped because a certain other business said that only they could import a certain good?

[Artashes]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

(Londontsi) --- (1) vultures hovering, (2) USA not in danger of collapse.
You specifically point to Russia/terks/baboons as hovering above us for our demise. I think if USA/England/euro had any opportunity to sell us down the road for their personal gain, they'd do that with a finality and speed that the others have yet to accomplish.
USA is closer to collapse in my estimation than you discribe. Between the divide amongst the population and the stunning debt, this country (USA) is fractured grossly.
HyeSocialist --- do Americas electric utilities rip you off like Armenians?
Lol. Different style but yes, they do. Have you forgotten the California electric fiasco that indebted the --- ENTIRE --- state of California??? Who went to jail for that? Was any of the billions recovered?? Has California ever recovered???
As I pointedly said, USA corruption is sly while Hayastan corruption is blatantly on the surface.
The corruption in the USA defense dept adds up to over a trillion $$$ (conservative). The USA citizens paid through the nose and suffered greatly in quality of life standard.
Your calling criminal conduct as superior because it's a different clown act than Hayastans, but there is no difference except USA is literally a million times worse in its totality.

Read about Enron company and California.

[Hakob]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Guys let's not compare US to Armenia anymore because...
Even though there is corruption in US, it is a prosperous country.
It's like comparing a watermelon that has 200 worms inside and still mostly succulent and sweet to a cherry (Armenia) with 4(of course much more than 4) worms that having eaten all the flesh, now are trying to break and devour the seed.
Our's is the cherry, not watermelon.
When that cherry is gone, we will dissapear too.
We can argue a lot about this, but Aprill 2 will come and go and we she'll withness if there will be changes or more people will go mad.
One thing is clear and very very dangerous. If government does not change it's character and bring back our country from edge of abiss that it led to in first place, then next uprising will be catastrophically bloody and bad.

[Artashes]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Guys let's not compare US to Armenia anymore because...
Even though there is corruption in US, it is a prosperous country.
It's like comparing a watermelon that has 200 worms inside and still mostly succulent and sweet to a cherry (Armenia) with 4(of course much more than 4) worms that having eaten all the flesh, now are trying to break and devour the seed.
Our's is the cherry, not watermelon.
When that cherry is gone, we will dissapear too.
We can argue a lot about this, but Aprill 2 will come and go and we she'll withness if there will be changes or more people will go mad.
One thing is clear and very very dangerous. If government does not change it's character and bring back our country from edge of abiss that it led to in first place, then next uprising will be catastrophically bloody and bad.

--- there is corruption in USA, (but) it's a prosperous country ---
Prosperous for who ? Sorry, but that's the image put forth but not the reality. How many on welfare? How many below poverty? How many lost everything in the 2008 housing bubble burst ? How many in the penitentiary system ? How many murders per year for how long ? Forgot Kent state university ? Forgot there is more land classified as toxic in USA than all of Hayastan? Forgot the repeated attempts by big business to cover up their culpability for the many terrible deaths and debilitating sickness caused by mining like in 3rd world countries ?
Prosperous ? It's only skin deep. Don't be fooled, USA/England etc --- ARE NOT --- role models to be emulated.
It's one thing for us to speak of our troubles with great concern. It's another thing to extoll USA --- because they have more money (only some).
USA followed by England are the most corrupt entities on our planet.
If we are searching for decency, please don't hold up USA as an example ... That's grossly terrible.

[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

(Londontsi) --- (1) vultures hovering, (2) USA not in danger of collapse.
You specifically point to Russia/terks/baboons as hovering above us for our demise. I think if USA/England/euro had any opportunity to sell us down the road for their personal gain, they'd do that with a finality and speed that the others have yet to accomplish.
USA is closer to collapse in my estimation than you discribe. Between the divide amongst the population and the stunning debt, this country (USA) is fractured grossly.
HyeSocialist --- do Americas electric utilities rip you off like Armenians?
Lol. Different style but yes, they do. Have you forgotten the California electric fiasco that indebted the --- ENTIRE --- state of California??? Who went to jail for that? Was any of the billions recovered?? Has California ever recovered???
As I pointedly said, USA corruption is sly while Hayastan corruption is blatantly on the surface.
The corruption in the USA defense dept adds up to over a trillion $$$ (conservative). The USA citizens paid through the nose and suffered greatly in quality of life standard.
Your calling criminal conduct as superior because it's a different clown act than Hayastans, but there is no difference except USA is literally a million times worse in its totality.

As I said earlier focus not on the specific corruption but the consequences.

In the US the economy and the people will suffer in Armenia nobody will suffer because there will be no Armenia.
Only stateless Armenians will suffer not necessarily financially but certainly psychologically far worse than the genocide.

As for the vultures even our own will join the fray.
Do you think our own who contribute to the demise of the state will have any scruples about devouring it.
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