Politics in Hayastan

[lampron]

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Armenians from Armenia are very different than Armenians from the USA and Armenians from anywhere else.

95% or more of Armenians in Armenia, USA, France, Canada, Australia, Beirut, Aleppo, Baghdad, Iran, Greece...are united in one aspect. They believe Armenia needs a sympathetic external power in order to survive (be it, Russia, USA/NATO , Iran etc).

So when Gorbachev and the western media both appeared to favor the Azerbaijani position Armenians from all geographical and political backgrounds began to fear that Karabakh would be lost

[Azad]

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There is a guy on here who continues to go off on "western shekelist", ... They (Armenians form Armenia) almost remind me of a lot of the alt-right people here in the United States.

go off on "western shekelist" is what alt-right does! ... for some unknown reason?

"AZERBAIJAN WANTS PAN-ARAB SUMMIT WITH ISRAEL, ENVOY SAYS"

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Azerbaijan-wants-pan-Arab-summit-with-Israel-envoy-says-488063

[HyeSocialist]

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go off on "western shekelist" is what alt-right does! ... for some unknown reason?

"AZERBAIJAN WANTS PAN-ARAB SUMMIT WITH ISRAEL, ENVOY SAYS"

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Pol...oy-says-488063

It's not a conspiracy, dude. Israel buys oil from Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan buys weapons from Israel. A part of the deal is getting good press for Azerbaijan's authoritarian regime, which kind of calms Israeli society into believing that it is helping a friend of Israel instead of a corrupt regime.

[Azad]

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It's not a conspiracy, dude. Israel buys oil from Azerbaijan and Azerbaijan buys weapons from Israel. A part of the deal is getting good press for Azerbaijan's authoritarian regime, which kind of calms Israeli society into believing that it is helping a friend of Israel instead of a corrupt regime.

Who is talking of “conspiracy” duuude?
If the Rwandans got involved in constantly attacking Armenians they will be mentioned instead.
They can sleep all day together, see if I care.
But when the shekelist go out of their way on attacking Armenia and its interest, apparently mentioning it is viewed as “conspiracy” you might as well add “antisemitism”.

[lampron]

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http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Azerbaijan-wants-pan-Arab-summit-with-Israel-envoy-says-488063

He noted that Israel broadly accepts Baku’s claim over the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh, a region that has been the subject of conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia since the fall of the Soviet Union.

“The Israelis support Azerbaijan’s territorial integrity – what the Israelis are doing is recognizing the chain,” Suleymanov said. “You have territorial integrity issues today in Ukraine, in Georgia, Moldova and in Azerbaijan. They’re all very similar, to be honest. It’s an occupation of territory, controlled by someone else, in violation of sovereignty.

What about democracy? In this case the opinion of the majority inside Karabakh?

[HyeSocialist]

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What about democracy? In this case the opinion of the majority inside Karabakh?

The irony is that what Israel accepts abroad seems to go against what Israel does at home, as in the settlements in the West Bank.

[Eddo211]

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95% or more of Armenians in Armenia, USA, France, Canada, Australia, Beirut, Aleppo, Baghdad, Iran, Greece...are united in one aspect. They believe Armenia needs a sympathetic external power in order to survive (be it, Russia, USA/NATO , Iran etc).

So when Gorbachev and the western media both appeared to favor the Azerbaijani position Armenians from all geographical and political backgrounds began to fear that Karabakh would be lost

The only time Armenians are united is during war.......I thought all Turks knew this.

Armenia realizes their position and dependency on a powerfull ally for national security but are now more independent with Armenia independance and liberation of ancient Artsakh.
Armenians of today do not follow victim mentality but move forward as victors. Only things would get alot better in Armenia if Turkish blockade would be removed. Illigal blockade.

[Haykakan]

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What about democracy? In this case the opinion of the majority inside Karabakh?

Conceptually Democracy sounds great, but in practice there is nothing great about it. That is the problem with democracy and the same problem has persisted for thousands of years. Over that period manipulation of democracies has become more complex and more effective. Democracy has become a tool for those looking to use the masses to do their own bidding. A great comparison would be religion and how it blinds people to the truth and is used to justify any and all evil. It is no surprise that many people take the bait hook line and sinker as that is exactly what the master manipulators want to happen. It was a democracy that put Socrates to death for simply stating the truth thousands of years ago and it is a democracy today that prevents the truth from being heard as well. There are many effective tools in this world that can be used for various purposes but what they are actually used for will depend on the motives of the people using them.

[HyeSocialist]

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Conceptually Democracy sounds great, but in practice there is nothing great about it. That is the problem with democracy and the same problem has persisted for thousands of years. Over that period manipulation of democracies has become more complex and more effective. Democracy has become a tool for those looking to use the masses to do their own bidding. A great comparison would be religion and how it blinds people to the truth and is used to justify any and all evil. It is no surprise that many people take the bait hook line and sinker as that is exactly what the master manipulators want to happen. It was a democracy that put Socrates to death for simply stating the truth thousands of years ago and it is a democracy today that prevents the truth from being heard as well. There are many effective tools in this world that can be used for various purposes but what they are actually used for will depend on the motives of the people using them.

As opposed to what, haykakan? BLATANT DICTATORSHIP? OLIGARCHY? What is your beef with democracy and why do you think it is worse than the oligarchy right now, or the dictatorship that was the Soviet Union?

[Artashes]

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As opposed to what, haykakan? BLATANT DICTATORSHIP? OLIGARCHY? What is your beef with democracy and why do you think it is worse than the oligarchy right now, or the dictatorship that was the Soviet Union?

You've missed the point (completly)!!!
To recognize democracy is and has been corrupted does not mean the only alternative is dictator or oligarch. Thats simply dumb or baiting.
first, one needs to recognize the corruption. Without this recognition, one cannot move forward.
Where does moving forward lead ? Thats what we are searching for !!!
Original democracy in Greece was inherently corrupt, because it was only for the wealthy land owners.
modern democracy is precisely the same with the uninformed masses being manipulated to come out with the identical outcome desired by the wealthy manipulators.
To point out that democracy is corrupted does NOT mean dictatorship or oligarchy is the only alternative.
Thats simply ridiculous.