Syrian Armenian

[Haykakan]

Re: Syrian Armenian

ARMENIANS WOUNDED IN ALEPPO ARMED RAID

13:27 â~@¢ 22.09.15

Scores of people, including five Armenians, were wounded in recent
bomb attacks in Aleppo, Syria.

Two Armenian districts, Nor Kyugh and Zhapriye, are reported to be the
target or rocket and mortar shelling and gas balloon explosions. The
raids have damaged a nursing house roof, Perio News reports on tis
Facebook page.

Rocket strikes have been quite frequent in many Armenian districts
of the city over the past days.

The Aleppo-based newspaper Gandzasar says in a post on Facebook that
a bomb attack in Nor Kyugh has left four Armenians wounded.

A total of nine Armenians are reported dead.

The condition of the injured is thought to be serious.

http://www.tert.am/en/news/2015/09/22/aleppo/1796264

[Vrej1915]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Հայաստանի ԱԳՆ. Հալեպի հայաբնակ թաղամասերի հրետակոծության հետեւանքով 4 հայ է վիրավորվել
21.09.2015


Հալեպի հայաբնակ Նոր Գյուղ թաղամասի հրետակոծության հետեւանքով 4 հայ է վիրավորվել: Այս մասին NEWS.am-ին տեղեկացրել Հայաստանի ԱԳՆ մամուլի խոսնակ Տիգրան Բալայանը՝ վկայակոչելով Հայաստանի գլխավոր հյուպատոսին:

Բալայանի խոսքով, հայերի մի մասը տեղափոխվել է Հալեպի՝ համեմատաբար հանգիստ թաղամասերում, ազգականների մոտ, մյուս մասն էլ ապաստանել է հայկական Սուրբ Գրիգոր Լուսավորիչ եկեղեցում:

Ավելի վաղ NEWS.am-ը հաղորդել էր, որ Հալեպի հայաբնակ թաղամասերի հրետակոծությունը սկսվել է կեսօրից:

Նշենք, որ մինչ արյունալի այս իրադարձությունները Սիրիայում 60-70 հազար հայ էր ապրում: Նրանց կեսից ավելի բնակվում էր Հալեպում, իսկ մյուս կեսը՝ այլ քաղաքներում, այդ թվում՝ Լաթաքիայում, Հոմսում, Ղամըշլիում, Յակուիեում, Ռաքքայում, Քեսաբում, մայրաքաղաք Դամասկոսում:

Լուրեր Հայաստանից - NEWS.am

[Federate]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Jesus Christ were you just not banned three months for this s--t
did you not wonder why that was, or think maybe I should try to not do the exact same thing as before
Or do you just not have the mental capacity to evaluate your moronic behavior
Can we please ban this imbecile, where do you people come from, et em oozoom imanam

Gevz will be on vacation until 2016. His next ban is permanent.

[Mher]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Many Armenians from Syria landed in Armenia then moved on to other countries

If 10,000 are in Armenia now, that's good news, but many of them would prefer to be in a peaceful Syria

Historically Armenians are not known to be very welcoming to fellow Armenians (however much some people want to believe the opposite)! How many of the refugees escaping progroms in Azerbaijan are still in Armenia and karabakh?

First of all, it's any Armenian person's birthright to receive a citizenship of Armenia. It doesn't cost Armenia anything. The only reason these people don't have Armenian citizenship is because their ancestors were taken on death marches from the Armenian highlands. They certainly have as much right to citizenship as anyone here who spends all day saying yerkire yerkir chi everytime it rains, or their bus is 30 seconds late. So they didn't commit any crime by leaving. You certainly can't blame someone who has no personal connections or family members here, or if they lost their life savings in Syria, for not staying in a difficult economy. That's the case anywhere. When you don't have any connections, its much harder to get a job and make the most out of everything. It's specially hard if you lost much of your money. My only problem is if they unjustly complain about the country or the people. I'm here because I'm young, I have a graduate degree in engineering from America, I have no family to take care of, I can live on less than $1000/month I currently earn, and I can scrape by if necessary. If need be I can go back to America, earn some money, and come try again. But you can't except someone who has a high school degree, who ran some small business they built all their life, who has small children to take care of, to allow their kids to stay hungry for months until they get a job. So just because people left for economic reasons, doesn't mean it had anything to do with the country or the people in the country.

Second of all, like I mentioned, you can't blame them for hoping for the war to end, so the house and business they set up all their life, worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, doesn't become the reward of some ISIS child rapist. Just because you're accustomed to your fully Armenian neighborhood in Aleppo, your Armenian church and school, you store, your home, your street that you live on for 50 years, doesn't mean Armenia or the people in it were so horrible to you. It means your a human being. However, this certainly isn't the case for everyone. I've met many who say f--k the three stores I owned that probably belongs to some terrorist, I'm happy with the food shack/stand I have, it's in my homeland. I've met plenty of Armenians from Syria who are really critical of all this money being sent to Syria to "preserve" the community and rebuild things. They are very angry at the religious and political leadership encouraging people to stay. They say why not just use that money to set up transportation for Syrian Armenians, and buy them housing in Armenia. Also there's plenty of stories like this:

Syrian Armenian who came to Armenia without money regains his feet

http://news.am/eng/news/282247.html

And absolutely bulls--t on the last example. Don't be surprised that in a country where it's 99 percent monoethnic that people are a little curious and unfamiliar to a foreign culture. But spend the slightest amount of time with them, trying to explain your background, and people treat you perfectly. I have a clear Iranian-Armenian dialect when I speak. I've even had people ask me if I'm persian on first impression. What should I have done? cursed at them and walk away? No you spend 20 seconds explaining your background to people, and they understand the situation, spend a few days with the person, and they treat you like their lifetime neighbor. Anyone in ten seconds can tell I'm not from here, but I've never seen one bad thing from one person here because of that (lol or for any other reason really). How far people go out of their way, it never stops surprising you. In America, where people have so much extra money, nobody will spend 1 minute on you, if they don't know you, and you aren't of some worth to them.

Also, people in the 40's might have not treated that repatriation wave in the best of manner. However, that had nothing to do with people here. It had everything to do with Stalin's and the communist moronic and haphazardly planning, when they brought tens/hundreds of thousands of people here, with aims of taking territory and settling them there, and when that didn't work, they just dumped the people on the country and expected the local government to somehow make it work. Yeah any people would be pissed of if a group of 10-20% of their country's population was suddenly dumped on them, not because they needed refuge or a better country to live in, but because you had a mornonic malfunctioning government, and had to be taken care of with their government meager wealth that would otherwise have come to them.

And yes, people from Baku, a massive modern city of millions, couldn't make it in shell stricken Shushi of 5,000 people. Big surprise. I probably couldn't make it in Shushi for a month. It doesn't make me a traitor. It makes me someone who grew up in Tehran, and then Los Angeles. Many people couldn't make it in Armenia in 90's. It's only natural that once you had to abandon everything you owned once and leave Baku, it's gonna be much easier for you to move a second time if you own nothing, if it means moving to a place like Moscow or California, if the alternative is staying in Armenia in 1992. That has nothing to do with the people here, and everything to do with the hellish realities of life in Armenia at that time.

[lampron]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Armenian govt should worry and care about the citizens of Armenia first......after that worry about some Arabized armenians planning to live in Armenia when s.hit hits the fan.

most are using Armenia for now...until they migrate elsewhere.

Many Armenians from Syria landed in Armenia then moved on to other countries

If 10,000 are in Armenia now, that's good news, but many of them would prefer to be in a peaceful Syria

Historically Armenians are not known to be very welcoming to fellow Armenians (however much some people want to believe the opposite)! How many of the refugees escaping progroms in Azerbaijan are still in Armenia and karabakh?

[Haykakan]

Re: Syrian Armenian

This is not to continue the discussion, and this is certainly not to respond to, or dignify the posts of the original poster. This is to inform the rest of our users who might not have had the luxury of visiting Armenia over the past three years: As a repat, currently living in Armenia, I can tell you there are more than ten thousand Armenians from Syria in Armenia. Just about all of the ones who have stayed have set up businesses, bought homes, and are fairly satisfied with their living conditions. They are even very grateful of the government and people here, and are fairly critical of any Syrian Armenians that came, left, and criticized the country. Outside of a small minority of locals who are nationalistic, and show some national pride, these Syrian Armenians are the only sense of nationalism I see in this country. Maybe it's because they've seen actual hell, so they're a lot more grateful of what this country offers than many locals who somehow think they live in Haiti.

That's another point I want to clarify: all of the bulls--t over the past three years of oh people here discriminate against Diasporan Armenians. That Armenians from Syria are being treated any differently than a local: absolute nonsense. I guessed this was the case in my three years absence from the this place, but now I now for sure. People here couldn't possibly be more welcoming to repat Armenians. People treat you like their brother and sister. If you actually live like a regular person, try to integrate yourself into society, and live a regular life, nobody mistreats you, or treats you like a foreigner. Nobody takes advantage of you. Yeah sure come here, dressing like tourist, going to expensive places, only spending time with other foreigners, and flashing your money around, don't be surprised you turn off people whose average monthly salary is $300. But behave normally, and you'll be subject to the exact same treatment as everyone else.

In my time spent living in both Iran and America, random people wouldn't do 10% of what they do for you here. And they only do it because they consider you their family. What Syrian Armenians who stayed told me is that anyone who complained never REALLY intended to stay: They came here to get a passport, they would have preferred to stay, but never really intended to if it meant any sacrifices. They lived like a tourist for a year, and when money ran out, they complained about the country and left.

But that's certainly doesn't describe all of them, a majority of them, or even a significant minority.

Encouraging post there. It is sad what has happened in Syria.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Syrian Armenian

This is not to continue the discussion, and this is certainly not to respond to, or dignify the posts of the original poster. This is to inform the rest of our users who might not have had the luxury of visiting Armenia over the past three years: As a repat, currently living in Armenia, I can tell you there are more than ten thousand Armenians from Syria in Armenia. Just about all of the ones who have stayed have set up businesses, bought homes, and are fairly satisfied with their living conditions. They are even very grateful of the government and people here, and are fairly critical of any Syrian Armenians that came, left, and criticized the country. Outside of a small minority of locals who are nationalistic, and show some national pride, these Syrian Armenians are the only sense of nationalism I see in this country. Maybe it's because they've seen actual hell, so they're a lot more grateful of what this country offers than many locals who somehow think they live in Haiti.

That's another point I want to clarify: all of the bulls--t over the past three years of oh people here discriminate against Diasporan Armenians. That Armenians from Syria are being treated any differently than a local: absolute nonsense. I guessed this was the case in my three years absence from the this place, but now I now for sure. People here couldn't possibly be more welcoming to repat Armenians. People treat you like their brother and sister. If you actually live like a regular person, try to integrate yourself into society, and live a regular life, nobody mistreats you, or treats you like a foreigner. Nobody takes advantage of you. Yeah sure come here, dressing like tourist, going to expensive places, only spending time with other foreigners, and flashing your money around, don't be surprised you turn off people whose average monthly salary is $300. But behave normally, and you'll be subject to the exact same treatment as everyone else.

In my time spent living in both Iran and America, random people wouldn't do 10% of what they do for you here. And they only do it because they consider you their family. What Syrian Armenians who stayed told me is that anyone who complained never REALLY intended to stay: They came here to get a passport, they would have preferred to stay, but never really intended to if it meant any sacrifices. They lived like a tourist for a year, and when money ran out, they complained about the country and left.

But that's certainly doesn't describe all of them, a majority of them, or even a significant minority.

Perfect description.
100% reality.
Nothing to add.
Thank you.

[Mher]

Re: Syrian Armenian

This is not to continue the discussion, and this is certainly not to respond to, or dignify the posts of the original poster. This is to inform the rest of our users who might not have had the luxury of visiting Armenia over the past three years: As a repat, currently living in Armenia, I can tell you there are more than ten thousand Armenians from Syria in Armenia. Just about all of the ones who have stayed have set up businesses, bought homes, and are fairly satisfied with their living conditions. They are even very grateful of the government and people here, and are fairly critical of any Syrian Armenians that came, left, and criticized the country. Outside of a small minority of locals who are nationalistic, and show some national pride, these Syrian Armenians are the only sense of nationalism I see in this country. Maybe it's because they've seen actual hell, so they're a lot more grateful of what this country offers than many locals who somehow think they live in Haiti.

That's another point I want to clarify: all of the bulls--t over the past three years of oh people here discriminate against Diasporan Armenians. That Armenians from Syria are being treated any differently than a local: absolute nonsense. I guessed this was the case in my three years absence from the this place, but now I know for sure. People here couldn't possibly be more welcoming to repat Armenians. People treat you like their brother and sister. If you actually live like a regular person, try to integrate yourself into society, and live a regular life, nobody mistreats you, or treats you like a foreigner. Nobody takes advantage of you. Yeah sure come here, dressing like tourist, going to expensive places, only spending time with other foreigners, and flashing your money around, don't be surprised you turn off people whose average monthly salary is $300. But behave normally, and you'll be subject to the exact same treatment as everyone else.

In my time spent living in both Iran and America, random people wouldn't do 10% of what they do for you here. And they only do it because they consider you their family. What Syrian Armenians who stayed told me is that anyone who complained never REALLY intended to stay: They came here to get a passport, they would have preferred to stay, but never really intended to if it meant any sacrifices. They lived like a tourist for a year, and when money ran out, they complained about the country and left.

But that's certainly doesn't describe all of them, a majority of them, or even a significant minority.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Սիրիայում ահաբեկիչները առեւանգել են երկու հայերի
21.09.2015

http://news.am/arm/news/287051.html

Սիրիայում ահաբեկիչները առեւանգել են երկու հայերի: Այս մասին NEWS.am-ին հայտնել են Հալեպի հայ համայնքից: Միջադեպը տեղի է ունեցել Խանասերի քաղաքում: Ահաբեկիչները հարկադրաբար կանգնեցրել են Հալեպից Լիբանան ուղեւորվող ավտոբուսը եւ առեւանգել երկու հայերի:

Նշենք, որ հանգստյան օրերին ահաբեկիչները ականանետերից կրակի են արձակել Հալեպի հայկական ու քրիստոնեական թաղամասերի ուղղությամբ: Զոհերի ու վիրավորների մասին տեղեկություններ չկան:

Նշենք, որ Սիրիայում արյունալի իրադարձություններից առաջ այդ երկրում մոտ 60-70 հազար հայ էր բնակվում: Նրանց կեսից ավելին ապրում էր Հալեպում, իսկ մյուս կեսը՝ Լաթաքիա, Հոմս, Քամիշլի, Հասակե, Յակուբիե, Ռաքքա, Քեսաբ քաղաքներում եւ իհարկե մայրաքաղաք Դամասկոսում:

Լուրեր Հայաստանից - NEWS.am

[Vrej1915]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Lots of really shallow things get posted on this forum. This post has about as much depth as a sheen of water. No diving in that pond, lol.

your anger is obviously well founded. The heartless and inconsiderate comments are moronic and should find no place amongst Hayr.

No Nation is vaccinated against stupidity.
In this case, I think there must be an additional taste of provocation.
Best strategy is ignorance of such posts.
My own reply, out of respect to you, is in a sense a reward to such psychopatic behavior...
So please, let's stop this discussion here.