Syrian Armenian

[Eddo211]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Yes, how can we forsaken them? its just not in my blood. That is where Turks can freely do what they done before. And what does Armenia do? we are sending peacekeepers to places for nothing when they should be sent to Syria and kick Turkish ass.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Yes, evacuation would be the priority. I wasn't aware so many Armenians are in Syria.

Chance to go turkey shooting.

I do not know the exact number by now.
But it was admitted, something between 80-100.000 before events.
You have 15.000 in Armenia.
Possibly some 10-20.000 in Lebanon, next dore, and possibly as much in Europe.
Yet, you must still have at least some 30.000 left, specially elders, poors, people that could not afford to flee, and have lost the small they had, in property or marchandise, and spent the result of 3 generations work to survive for the last 5 years of trouble....

Now the road via Turkey is totally closed.
The only option is a very dangerous, costly taxi trip via unsafe roads towards Hama, Homs, then Beirut....
A lot of people did dissapear on the road, if not got robbed...

[Eddo211]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Yes, evacuation would be the priority. I wasn't aware so many Armenians are in Syria.

Chance to go turkey shooting.


Just add:

The logistic itself will be a hard training........things change when your ass is really on the line.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Have a look at the situational map of the day:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/88/Syrian_civil_war.png

Haleb is virtually under siege.
Plus the Armenian sectors are virtually in a siege, within the siege.
Plus, the entire province of Haleb is virtually cut off from Hama....

And this is the sector, where the turkish sponsored various entities are advancing most lately....

So logistics is just a nightmare....
At best, organised evacuation. And that would already be a major success.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Cruel flash back:
Remember this period?

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php/19386-Bashar-al-Assad-Syria-and-the-Armenian-people/page16?p=333899&viewfull=1#post333899

In the meen time, Armavia vanished, in the smog of unofficial embezzelment....
Read well what I was saying back then... and how people reacted.

I wish I was wrong, and armchair generals were the brains....


Do you still think an expeditionary adventure is for us an option?

[Vrej1915]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Boy those are tough questions and I am not qualified to answer them but if you want to know my opinion

Send at least 300 peacekeepers.......any losses is unacceptable however no more than 5 percent.

We must coordinate with Syrian army in case of shelling.....some MANPADs will be good for F-4s

To have peacekeepers, you first need peace, at least truce.
There is, nor will be none, in near future.
So you may think of only a fighting force.
300 will be enough to protect a small district, where at best you will have 25% Armenians in Haleb. Any of the remaining 75% might be a jihadi kamikaze in your back.... ours do not speak, nor can understand the arabic language...
Our boys need to be equipped by at least some light armor, plus at least a field hospital with 2 surgeons, two narco/anesthesists, 4 nurses, the mobile equipment that will imply...., genrators, fuel reserve. We will need at least a Heli to evacuate heavy wounds to where??
We need food, at least twice a day, for our boys, water ... (there are sharp shortages in Haleb), and the civilians we are risking our lives for...
Then you will need to think of the coffins. I suppose you will not abandon our corpses in a foreign soil for eternity....
Haleb is already in virtual state of siege.

Now, if the huge Russia, with all its ressources, managed to sent something of that size, in acrobatic difficulties over the caspian, just to reach Latakya or Tartous, where they are well deep in friendly territory, out of reach of the jihadis, and deep sea ports, with a combat capable fleet at their disposal, just explain me how will you organise your logistics?
You will need at least 4 cargo flights to begin with, to sent your expeditionary corps.
They will land in Damaskos, or Latakiya.
At any moment from there to Haleb, they may come under fire, passing central Syria.., to enter the besieged Haleb nest.
Plus the war there is a street war, we are not experieced for, nor do need that experience.
If ever we are planning the capture of Baku, it will be an empty town... so no need of that experience.
As soon as you will be in town, the syrian army, in full shortage of manpower, will do everything to propagand the event, finally finding morons ready to die for them.
The same day, if not not much before the first plane would have landed, Turkey and Azerbaijan will order concentration of fire on our troops...
At best, while fighting and bleeding, you will protect the 2-5000 Armenians of the given district you had chosed. But at the same moment, the other 35-40.000 Armenians remaining in Syria, disseminated all over the country in small numbers + the entire Armenian community in Lebanon and the rest of the arab worls, will turn into live targets for the jihadis.. that is, potentially any inhabitant of those countries.
And the day 2, you will think of one question: for how long?
Do I need to detail more?

And now, let me remind you the cruel fact of the beginning 2011-12.
At that time, the Haleb airport was open.
Our state could not organise free evacuation flights for our children.
Armavia was only interested in plundering the people, by doubling the ticket prices. Then it did not fly at all.
Only syrian planes did Haleb-Yerevan...

Then we had a chance to do simple evacuation for refugees, and we could not.
Do you imagine we will find the resources to sent this kind of force, while our borders are on fire?
And what for exactly?

[Eddo211]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Ok.
How many soldiers are you going to sent? How many losses are you ready to accept?

The day you guard one one building, the minute it follows, you will have 200 turkish mercenaries firing on it, with everything you may imagine... even turkish jets now are in the air. They will bomb, saying they were trying to protect us from jihadis.
What will you do??

Boy those are tough questions and I am not qualified to answer them but if you want to know my opinion

Send at least 300 peacekeepers.......any losses is unacceptable however no more than 5 percent.

We must coordinate with Syrian army in case of shelling.....some MANPADs will be good for F-4s

[Vrej1915]

Re: Syrian Armenian

I think it is quite telling how you want us to fight the Russians tooth and nail yet at the same time roll over and die vs Turks.

Dumdum !

[Haykakan]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Ok.
How many soldiers are you going to sent? How many losses are you ready to accept?

The day you guard one one building, the minute it follows, you will have 200 turkish mercenaries firing on it, with everything you may imagine... even turkish jets now are in the air. They will bomb, saying they were trying to protect us from jihadis..
What will you do??

I think it is quite telling how you want us to fight the Russians tooth and nail yet at the same time roll over and die vs Turks.

[Vrej1915]

Re: Syrian Armenian

Yes, evacuate the needed and protect Armenian buildings, schools, churches. We are not to get involved in the war, this will be anounced by our government. Our mission will be strictly humanitarian and possible saving the Armenian heritage in Syria. We are not to engage the enmy. You fire if fired upon only. Just like Artsakh

Ok.
How many soldiers are you going to sent? How many losses are you ready to accept?

The day you guard one one building, the minute it follows, you will have 200 turkish mercenaries firing on it, with everything you may imagine... even turkish jets now are in the air. They will bomb, saying they were trying to protect us from jihadis..
What will you do??