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  • #31
    Just in case obi thinks Karabakh is our fault and needs to be returned, which I think he does, I'm just making sure he iis aware that it has always been Armenian. It was given to Azerbaijan, like Nakhichevan, by Stalin who drew up the country boundaries within the USSR in a "divide-and-conquer" fashion. He wanted to seperate ethnic groups, for example dividing up Armenians between Georgia, Azer, and Armenia instead of putting all Armenian areas under Armenian control so he could stay in power over them. He perfectly knew that the Armenians would eventually come into conflict with the Azeris over Karabakh, he gave it to Azerbaijan so that he would be able to step in and save the day and leave Armenia and Azerbaijan relying on him to solve it. That didn't end up happening under his time, but eventually the conflict did come. It's only been Azerbaijan's (in name only) for the past 70 years and its because an evil dictator decided it to be so. So if you want to respect Stalin and his ways by all means give it back to Azerbaijan. Also if you don't believe what I said about Stalin and his divide and conquer method of dealing with Armenians, I ran it by an ivy league (UPenn) history professor who gave a talk on Stalin at my college. He said indeed it was all true about Stalin giving NK to the Azeris and elaborated about the stuff I said above. He was odar and not related to Armenians in any way. So this is not just some kind of Armenian propaganda used to back up our claims, Karabakh truly is ours.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by IAmMadAtAC
      Just in case obi thinks Karabakh is our fault and needs to be returned, which I think he does, I'm just making sure he iis aware that it has always been Armenian. It was given to Azerbaijan, like Nakhichevan, by Stalin who drew up the country boundaries within the USSR in a "divide-and-conquer" fashion. He wanted to seperate ethnic groups, for example dividing up Armenians between Georgia, Azer, and Armenia instead of putting all Armenian areas under Armenian control so he could stay in power over them. He perfectly knew that the Armenians would eventually come into conflict with the Azeris over Karabakh, he gave it to Azerbaijan so that he would be able to step in and save the day and leave Armenia and Azerbaijan relying on him to solve it. That didn't end up happening under his time, but eventually the conflict did come. It's only been Azerbaijan's (in name only) for the past 70 years and its because an evil dictator decided it to be so. So if you want to respect Stalin and his ways by all means give it back to Azerbaijan. Also if you don't believe what I said about Stalin and his divide and conquer method of dealing with Armenians, I ran it by an ivy league (UPenn) history professor who gave a talk on Stalin at my college. He said indeed it was all true about Stalin giving NK to the Azeris and elaborated about the stuff I said above. He was odar and not related to Armenians in any way. So this is not just some kind of Armenian propaganda used to back up our claims, Karabakh truly is ours.
      THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS!!!
      its like everytime i read your posts i feel like im reading my own, we think so damn alike and its like u bring up the same things i would if i was in the same argument.
      Im interested in what type of a person you are. male/female? age? lol

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      • #33
        Originally posted by TigranJamharian
        THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS!!!
        its like everytime i read your posts i feel like im reading my own, we think so damn alike and its like u bring up the same things i would if i was in the same argument.
        Im interested in what type of a person you are. male/female? age? lol
        Hahaha if only I was F Tigran (no love smiley?!)
        haha M/20 here.

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        • #34
          if only...... lol

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          • #35
            Originally posted by obi
            Rev. Thomas Malthus 'principles of population' were hardly adhered to in England. It was about the time we were rubbishing the latter part of Darwins work relating to cranial features, skin colour and deviant minds...

            That was why i opened a topic on Poverty and solutions. We date back to 1832 for our first Poor Laws. They were set out so any parish that had people that could not work to feed themselves, it was the responsibility of the parish members to do so.

            But then all of a sudden we had the industrial revolution and bang... Workhouses, nothing more than prisons for those that could not help themselves.

            The reason your population is declining is because there is no work, or help for the poor... After only a week of thought I have the following ideas for you.

            !)Draw up a treaty with the azers/turkey/iran & georgia. Actually, no... Draw the treaty up with the UN. Tell them of your plight, 40% poverty etc. Tell them shoulid either of the 4 afore mentioned armies attack you, you will need their protection. Dismantle your army, with an agreement by all 4 that they will not attack. Give the azers Kharabagh... it is full with armenians, what good is it to them.? Do not argue, make sure the lands you have now are marked out. For the Turks, they can see increased revenue from the blockade being lifted. Again, they have to agree to none violent conduct. For Iran, you have the 20 years of gas you have signed for... Set about caring for your poor, and building your economy... When the unemployed have work, it means your economy is booming. From Mount Ararat alone your stable, safe country should make 1 billion$ from tourists. People will see this, it is your gold, oil, trust me... from that christians across the world will flock to if it is safe land. Were it on American land it would have huge ad boads on now.!!! You just do noy market it right.While your country is so unstable, nobody will insure holiday makers. In honesty, I can't wait to get there... The old headstrong problems you have with other countries around you.. forget them, leave them to an higher punishment.

            I saw someone mention tourism being your bread and butter here... Hooooooooooooooooraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.... You seen the light,, so get on
            ...

            Karabagh is not gonna be given up just like that....I personally seen what it took to win that war...and no way its just gonna be handed back. Plus, it has a really rich soil, it can contribute to the economy a lot. So, NO, Karabagh won't be given to anyone. Its Armenia's.

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            • #36
              True, I was against the war, but we fought it and we should hold onto it. No peace loving hippy crap.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Hayq
                True, I was against the war, but we fought it and we should hold onto it. No peace loving hippy crap.
                helll yeaahh...Azerbaijan lost, bottom line. Wars happen, land is lost and land is gained. Armenia lost about 70 % of its historic territory to Turkey. Do we want it bacK? Yes, will they give it back?Ofcoarse not. Same thing with Karabagh. Plus, a lot of lives have been lost in that war. I even remeber stories about all these "azatamartiks" who took out these tanks and what not. I'm pretty sure most of my childhood freinds are as of now in karabagha and I would of been too if I was there and I don't think I would of still changed my oppinion.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by MadHandle
                  Armenia lost about 70 % of its historic territory to Turkey. Do we want it bacK? Yes, will they give it back?Ofcoarse not. Same thing with Karabagh.
                  Not the same thing. Azerbaidjan can't even use the historic territory argument over Artsakh.

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                  • #39
                    It is historic, history is anything that happened in the past.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Baron Dants
                      Not the same thing. Azerbaidjan can't even use the historic territory argument over Artsakh.
                      True....

                      One thing I don't get though...why can't we get Nagichevan. I know a lot of Azeries live there, but it just always bothered me...

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