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    Economy / Population

    There's two things people complain the most about when it comes to Arnenian... the Economy and the fact that the population is constantly decreasing as people leave.

    My question is, if all off a sudden every diasporan Armenian in the world suddenly went back to Armenian (thus solving the population problem) would the economy get better or worse? The obvious answer is "worse" because if it can't sustain the small number it has now, how will it be able to sustain millions and millions of people?

    However, if there is an increase in population there must be an increase in work to sustain these people. More homes owuld need to be built, more super markets and stores put in place to feed people. If there was more people around, there would be more work to do... so would a population increase help or hinder the country?
    "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx
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    the thing i complain about when it comes to armenia, is the PEOPLE.

    such twats.

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    • #3
      The problem is the lack of jobs in Armenia. I doubt that if most Armenians in the world went back to Armenia that the situations would get better.

      Like you said, they would need MORE jobs, markets, home security, etc.

      The blockade that Turkey has put on us has really made Armenia into a poor country. If they life the blockades, things will improve a little more in regards to importing/exporting of products and services thus making the economy work.

      Until then, I think that if most Armenians made investments into Armenia in regards to building new programs to assist the people the welfare of the people there, and more business to provide jobs for the Armenians there, that that might make things better.

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      • #4
        The reason I bring it up is because most people complain about how the population is decreasing, and I was wondering if an increase would really make any difference.
        "All I know is I'm not a Marxist." -Karl Marx

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        • #5
          Originally posted by HyeJinx1984
          There's two things people complain the most about when it comes to Arnenian... the Economy and the fact that the population is constantly decreasing as people leave.

          My question is, if all off a sudden every diasporan Armenian in the world suddenly went back to Armenian (thus solving the population problem) would the economy get better or worse? The obvious answer is "worse" because if it can't sustain the small number it has now, how will it be able to sustain millions and millions of people?

          However, if there is an increase in population there must be an increase in work to sustain these people. More homes owuld need to be built, more super markets and stores put in place to feed people. If there was more people around, there would be more work to do... so would a population increase help or hinder the country?
          One of the fallacies that the economy cannot sustain a population growth is refuted by the capitalist revolution in Europe in which it broke the Malthusian cycle of the feudal ages and since then the population has been increasing.
          Achkerov kute.

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          • #6
            Don't blame turkey, it is purely Armenia's fault. If the Armenian government were to aid the people and let them freely conductbusiness, there would be no problem.

            Armenians seem to be weak inside, they go wherever they can make money instead of building it themselves. That is what we have to change. Change the whole mentality and turn Armenian Pride from a bumper sticker into a nation.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Hayq
              Don't blame turkey, it is purely Armenia's fault. If the Armenian government were to aid the people and let them freely conductbusiness, there would be no problem.

              Armenians seem to be weak inside, they go wherever they can make money instead of building it themselves. That is what we have to change. Change the whole mentality and turn Armenian Pride from a bumper sticker into a nation.
              Purely Armenia's fault?

              I don't think so..... with Turkey's blockade, Armenia is losing about $750 million dollars anually without a good import/export system.

              Without the right amount of income from the outside world, how can the economy get any better? The government itself is suffering so who do you think the money is going to first when income arrives to the country?

              I think the Armenian people over there are pretty hungry to rebuild their country and are willing to do it.... they're not weak, because I've seen them first hand. Without the right amount of funding from the government, it is kind of hard to build it themselves. In order to get the right amount of funding, the government has to make its share, and in order for the government to make its share, the blockades have to be lifted.

              One thing is "always" connected to another.

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              • #8
                Well, dig yourself out. If Armenians were smart enough, they would not have ruined relations with Azerbaijan and had peace early in 88. If Armenians care about "trade" more than they do about their own personal well being, they would not have elected such a leader who cares more about turning Armenia into a Las Vegas rip off than a modern European city.

                Armenians are never satisfied with what they have. They live in Communism and have a good life, but they hate communism. They live in Capitolism and live a good life, but they hate capitolism. That is why, the solution to Armenia's problem is a dictator that will crush the Armenian spirit, that will brainwash Armenian youth into learning, respecting the law, respecting elders, and carring the torch. It should be a government that cares to protect Armenia from military and social dangers.

                Do not tell me Armenia is losing 750mln dollars, what the hell are they going to do that is going to bring 750mln dollars? Armenia has factories that are decades ahead of Turkey and Iran, but instead of harnessing our potential, we chose to go backwards and turn Yerevan into a tourist town.

                To Fix Armenia is to FIX the Armenian people. Regime change begins at home.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Hayq
                  Well, dig yourself out. If Armenians were smart enough, they would not have ruined relations with Azerbaijan and had peace early in 88. If Armenians care about "trade" more than they do about their own personal well being, they would not have elected such a leader who cares more about turning Armenia into a Las Vegas rip off than a modern European city.

                  Armenians are never satisfied with what they have. They live in Communism and have a good life, but they hate communism. They live in Capitolism and live a good life, but they hate capitolism. That is why, the solution to Armenia's problem is a dictator that will crush the Armenian spirit, that will brainwash Armenian youth into learning, respecting the law, respecting elders, and carring the torch. It should be a government that cares to protect Armenia from military and social dangers.

                  Do not tell me Armenia is losing 750mln dollars, what the hell are they going to do that is going to bring 750mln dollars? Armenia has factories that are decades ahead of Turkey and Iran, but instead of harnessing our potential, we chose to go backwards and turn Yerevan into a tourist town.

                  To Fix Armenia is to FIX the Armenian people. Regime change begins at home.
                  Armenian's weren't the ones who ruined relations with Azeri's. Azeri's started a scuffle in Azerbaijian with Armenians which sparked the Kharabagh war.

                  Other than that, you want Armenia to be under a dictatorship where any day you're family can get killed off and you wouldn't know about it? Gee, yea... that's the solution right there. Be under a dictatorship and go even BACKWARDS based on one person's view. Wouldn't that kinda be what you're accusing the current president of now?

                  What do you mean what are Armenians going to do that is going to generate $750 million? Armenians ARE losing about $750 million dollars yearly and it IS from the blockades whether you want to believe it or not. You know how much money importing / exporting would bring to Armenia. But because Armenia is isolated from the outside world in regards to that business and the only way items go in and out are through Georgia (where nearly 1/2 of the items get stolen anyway) Armenia is kinda in a welfare state.

                  On another note, have you been to Armenia lately and seen the development going on there? Or are you purely talking out of what you see from the "outside world"? Have you learned your Armenian history through colleges or universities? Or are you going off what your elders tell you? It makes a big difference you know.

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                  • #10
                    LMFAO! I just came back after a one month vacation from there. I HATED IT!

                    It is a tourist town, hotels and condos, they are not for the people living there. It is pathetic, with all that money used they could reopen many of those factories and prevent people from leaving. Thank you for opening your big mouth and accusing me of not knowing what is going on.

                    Apparently you yourself have not been there, or probably nowhere further from the town square. I lived with my grandparents and their life is hard. No one in Armenia besides the filth who runs it lives well. Armenia is very corrupt.

                    Karabagh war was started by Russia, just like the Abkhazia thing in Georgia, so Russia can hold power in that area. Armenians and Azeris were not bad with one another. I would like any Armenian here, to tell me that Armenians and Azeris were enemies EVEN DURING the Soviet Times...They were not.

                    Had we been mature about this and talked over the situation in Karabagh instead of going in there like an idiot losing all those men, we might have had an economy today. We would have recieved Oil from Azerbajian and unrestricted access in Georgian trade.

                    You guys talk about trade and war, do you realize that you can not have both at the same time? There is no trade during wartime. After the fall of communism we were supposed to have gotten support from the Disapora and lifted ourself up!

                    However, Armenian politics get in the way, and the Dashnaks try to stick their noses into Armenian politics. Political upheavel, war with azerbajian, decreasing population, an ECONOMY BASED ON TOURISM!!!!

                    IF there is a war, the Armenian economy will collapse the second a shot is fired, because no one vacations in a country at war! Therefore, a war with azerbajian means Armenia is dead. There is nothing more to it...

                    The dictator has to be like hitler, who sweeps the nation of its filthy prostitutes and idiot majority. It has to concentrate on Education and the Economy. Education for our children who will run the Economy of tommorow...

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