Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

[HyeJinx1984]

Yea, what he said.

[Armenian]

DOUBTS CAST OVER TURKISH EU HOPES

Turkey's hopes of joining the European Union were thrown into further doubt yesterday when European foreign ministers acknowledged that the recent French and Dutch referendums on the EU constitution could affect Ankara's progress towards membership.

The EU has decided to scrap all specific references to plans to begin membership negotiations from the communiqué for an EU summit later this week, because of fears that France and Cyprus would toughen the conditions for talks to begin.

Concern about the EU's present and future enlargement was a significant factor in the No vote in both the French and Dutch polls, even though the Turkey negotiations were always likely to take at least a decade. Earlier, in an interview with Le Figaro newspaper, Mr. Douste-Blazy, France's new foreign minister, said: "Without the [constitutional] treaty it seems difficult to me to add new member states."

French officials said that any decision on whether to proceed with negotiations with Ankara set for October 3 would partly depend on Turkey's implementation of legal reforms introduced this month, even though the European Commission is not scheduled to assess such issues until November.

Even if talks begin on schedule, officials suggest, the negotiations could now take longer, and are more likely to fall short of a membership deal, than had appeared the case before the French and Dutch votes. Jack Straw, UK foreign minister, said British political parties were united in support for enlargement.

In Turkey, officials repeated assurances that the talks would begin on schedule on October 3. Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the prime minister, insisted at the weekend that the internal crisis gripping the EU had "nothing to do with us".

The fact that the EU also approved a protocol yesterday extending its customs union with Turkey to include the 10 states that joined in May last year was described as a positive step. Turkey, which believes the protocol does not imply formal recognition of the disputed island of Cyprus, is expected to sign the protocol as soon as it receives it.

By Daniel Dombey in Luxembourg and Vincent Boland in Ankara; FT, June 14 2005

Source: http://www.azg.am/?lang=EN&num=2005061803

[Andranik]

You are so funny people that all your daily business is talking about Turks, Turkey, etc. You have created yourselves a very interesting national identity which is based on another nation

Within a few years you will be our only problematic neighbour but it is normal of course since you are the nation which have problems with your neighbours.

No you have misunderstood everything. Our business is talking about and taking care of Armenian related issues. Turks are a problem which must be taken care of or the national security of Armenia will never be secure. If the genocide is not recognized by Turkey, there are no guarantees whatsoever that it will not occur again.

It is your newly-born "nation" of mongoloid squatters from Central Asia who have based their national identity on peoples they have committed Genocide against. Turks have Armenian, Greek, Assyrian , etc.. blood running through their veins from all the women your barbaric forefathers have raped. Turkey is based on Armenian land, and on the bones of 1.5 million Armenians who your forefathers have committed Genocide against.

We do not have problems with our neighbors. We are getting along just fine with the Iranians, the Georgians, the Russians, the Abkhaz. Pretty much everyone except the Turks. We have repeatedly called for normalization of relations.

Look at Turkey: greece, cyprus, iraq, iran, bulgaria, russia, syria

You have a problem with all of your neigbhors. You cannot even get along with your fellow muslims.

[karakitap]

No you have misunderstood everything. Our business is talking about and taking care of Armenian related issues. Turks are a problem which must be taken care of or the national security of Armenia will never be secure. If the genocide is not recognized by Turkey, there are no guarantees whatsoever that it will not occur again.

It is your newly-born "nation" of mongoloid squatters from Central Asia who have based their national identity on peoples they have committed Genocide against. Turks have Armenian, Greek, Assyrian , etc.. blood running through their veins from all the women your barbaric forefathers have raped. Turkey is based on Armenian land, and on the bones of 1.5 million Armenians who your forefathers have committed Genocide against.

We do not have problems with our neighbors. We are getting along just fine with the Iranians, the Georgians, the Russians, the Abkhaz. Pretty much everyone except the Turks. We have repeatedly called for normalization of relations.

Look at Turkey: greece, cyprus, iraq, iran, bulgaria, russia, syria

You have a problem with all of your neigbhors. You cannot even get along with your fellow muslims.

My friend lets talk about some facts instead of rhetoric.
1. Your diaspora's position about Turks is something more than "Armenian related issues" Because it is true that you really have an artificial national identity which is only based on Turkish hatred and it is unique in the world, there is no other nation like you who is based only an unlogical obsessive hate of another nation.
2. There is no need to rewrite that Turks are not a newly-born nation. The first written scripts of Turkish language is dated to 600A.D. which is far earlier than most of the European nations like all Scandinavians, all Balkan nations, almost all nordics, etc. Turks have established 16 states before in the history and about your claim of mongoloid central asian,etc. Anatolia is the homeland of Turks since 1000 years and we have monuments, states, etc. since a millenium, and we ar the majortity of these lands since a millenium.
3. About the issue of neighbours, stop rhetoric and admit the facts. It is your country Armenia who have problems with all its neighbours. Besides Turkey, you INVADED Azerbaijan, you hate Georgians, you don't have problems only with Iran I think. Contrary, Turkey have problems only with you. We are perfect with Georgia, Azerbaijan, Syria, Bulgaria. We have some problems with Greece but we are solving with them. We had some ideological problems with Iran before but now the relations are almost perfect.
And finally I recommend you to normalize your relations with your neighbours and think about how to prosper Armenia instead of childishly parrot how Turks are evil,etc.

[Red Brigade]

it is true that you really have an artificial national identity

Turks are not a newly-born nation.

The first written scripts of Turkish language is dated to 600A.D. which is far earlier than most of the European nations

this one is class

Turks have established 16 states

Contrary, Turkey have problems only with you.

Let this poor man believe to his nationalistic myths.

[Armenian]

Let this poor man believe to his nationalistic myths.

What Kaka-kitab is spewing is not a nationalistic myths - they are absurd jokes.

Any one, even with half a brain, realizes that:

Turkey is a artificially faricated nation based upon the bones of millions of aboriginal Christians.

Turkey is hated virtually by all its neighbors, Syrian, Armenia, Greece, Iran, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Serbia, Russia.

Turkey, although located within the finest region of the world with regards to geographic situation, economics, tourism, is perhaps one of the most backward nations on earth.

Turkey has an internal cancer, namely the kurds, that will destroy it one day.

The whole world except, Turks and Jews, realizes these peculiar aspects of Turkish reality. The European Union is very mindful of this as well. Europe needs Turkey on their south eastern flank for economic reasons. However, the EU will never allow such an abomination, as in the state of Turkey, to join the western world.

Turks are living in an absurd fantasy world.

The only reason why we Armenians keep discussing Turkey today is because we Armenians have a lot of unfinished business - land, money and blood.

I realize that there will be Armenians who will go along with money and Land reparations, but will oppose blood revenge. Those Armenians need to realize that they can't change human nature. If a criminal killed most of your family members, it is quite natural and quite human to seek revenge.

Thus, there will be Armenian who would seek turkish blood. Best Armenian *Hippys* can do it to simply get out of their way when the day comes.

Turkey will fall whether or not we Armenians fire a shot. Thus, all Armenians need to be ready for that inevitable day, the day when we can have our glorious tricolors flying upon the magnificent ruins of Ani, the ancient citadel of Van and our holy mountain of Ararat.

Armenians have been around for four thousand five hundred years. Long after the last turk disappears into the pages of history - we will still be around.

[Otto]

being a human is kinda control the nature including human nature... but if you accept human nature as it is then you have no right to be angry to Turks.. i didnt see an angry sheep attacking the butcher to avange many sheeps killed in history..... it would be unnatural wouldnt it?... and very same human nature caused many Armenians (innocent or not) get killed...so if say it is human nature to kill humans (in order to avange or gain territroy or just pure satisfaction) then whats wrong in killing 1,5 million Armenians.... just human nature buddy... relax.. we didnt do anything wrong..blame it on the human nature... ah and one more think... when we vanish from the world there will be some others to dominate you... whatever you say Armenians are peacifull folk and most of the others are not... you will never see your historic land again..maybe we will go...but you are not the one coming back amigo...

[Armenian]

being a human is kinda control the nature including human nature... but if you accept human nature as it is then you have no right to be angry to Turks.. i didnt see an angry sheep attacking the butcher to avange many sheeps killed in history..... it would be unnatural wouldnt it?... and very same human nature caused many Armenians (innocent or not) get killed...so if say it is human nature to kill humans (in order to avange or gain territroy or just pure satisfaction) then whats wrong in killing 1,5 million Armenians.... just human nature buddy... relax..

As a typical turk your perspective is bit twisted.

Human nature of Armenians, and Greeks for that matter, will seek to avenge the deaths of millions of innocent compatriots, simple as that.

Your nation commited horrible crime of epic proportions, thus don't be surprised that when the day comes, the fall of Ankara, all your neighbors will not have any compassion towards you, simple as that.

[Otto]

yeah i know that so whats the point?... what ever the reason killing is a killing... but mostly thinking parallel with you but at the opposite sides i definitely agree with you.. you belong to the dark side my friend...you would make a great Turkish facist chasing minorities around ...

[Armenian]

The creation of more excuses to block Turkey's EU hopes.

"Turkey must admit Armenian dead"

French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier

France has said Turkey must improve its human rights record
France has said it will ask Turkey to acknowledge the mass killing of Armenians from 1915 as a "tragedy" when it begins EU accession talks.

French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier said Turkey had "a duty to remember".

Armenians say 1.5 million of their people died or were deported from their homelands under Turkish Ottoman rule. Mr Barnier did not say it was genocide, although the French parliament has done so in the past. Turkey says the victims died during civil unrest. Mr Barnier said France did not consider Turkish acknowledgement a condition of EU entry, but insisted his country would raise the issue once talks opened.

France will pose this question - I think that a big country like Turkey has a duty to remember
Michel Barnier, French Foreign Minister

Where Turkey's bid stands

Speaking to reporters after a meeting of EU foreign ministers to discuss plans to invite Turkey for accession talks, Mr Barnier said Turkey "must carry out this task as a memorial". In addition, France believes that accession talks should not begin before the second half of 2005, Mr Barnier said. Turkey has pushed for immediate negotiations. "I believe that when the time comes, Turkey should come to terms with its past, be reconciled with its own history and recognise this tragedy," Mr Barnier said.

'So-called genocide'

His comments drew no immediate official response from Turkey, which has consistently denied orchestrating genocide.

A foreign ministry spokesman in the Turkish capital, Ankara, told Reuters that Turkey has never and will never recognise "any so-called genocide".

Armenia alleges that the Young Turks, in 1915 the dominant party in the Ottoman Empire, systematically arranged the deportation and killing of 1.5 million Armenians.

Turkish relations with independent Armenia, which borders Turkey to the north, have long been coloured by the issue.

About 300,000 Armenians live in France, more than in any other European country, and community leaders have pledged to pressure French President Jacques Chirac on the genocide issue during Turkish accession negotiations.

France passed a law officially recognising the Armenian genocide in 2001, cooling relations with Turkey and scuppering a major arms deal.

Another 14 nations, including Switzerland, Russia and Argentina, also classify the killings as genocide.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4092933.stm