Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

[bell-the-cat]

you would make a great Turkish facist chasing minorities around ...

"Karakitap" and "Armenian" are two sides of the same soon to be demonetized coin.

[karakitap]

this one is class





Let this poor man believe to his nationalistic myths.

If you have an opposition to what I said, state it clearly. Otherwise I have nothing to say to you anymore since you seem already miserable.

[karakitap]

What Kaka-kitab is spewing is not a nationalistic myths - they are absurd jokes.

Any one, even with half a brain, realizes that:

Turkey is a artificially faricated nation based upon the bones of millions of aboriginal Christians.

Turkey is hated virtually by all its neighbors, Syrian, Armenia, Greece, Iran, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Serbia, Russia.

Turkey, although located within the finest region of the world with regards to geographic situation, economics, tourism, is perhaps one of the most backward nations on earth.

Turkey has an internal cancer, namely the kurds, that will destroy it one day.

The whole world except, Turks and Jews, realizes these peculiar aspects of Turkish reality. The European Union is very mindful of this as well. Europe needs Turkey on their south eastern flank for economic reasons. However, the EU will never allow such an abomination, as in the state of Turkey, to join the western world.

Turks are living in an absurd fantasy world.

The only reason why we Armenians keep discussing Turkey today is because we Armenians have a lot of unfinished business - land, money and blood.

I realize that there will be Armenians who will go along with money and Land reparations, but will oppose blood revenge. Those Armenians need to realize that they can't change human nature. If a criminal killed most of your family members, it is quite natural and quite human to seek revenge.

Thus, there will be Armenian who would seek turkish blood. Best Armenian *Hippys* can do it to simply get out of their way when the day comes.

Turkey will fall whether or not we Armenians fire a shot. Thus, all Armenians need to be ready for that inevitable day, the day when we can have our glorious tricolors flying upon the magnificent ruins of Ani, the ancient citadel of Van and our holy mountain of Ararat.

Armenians have been around for four thousand five hundred years. Long after the last turk disappears into the pages of history - we will still be around.

Well, there is no way of making a communication with your kind since whatever I say can not change your "thoughts" which you parrot. You are really sick people and seem so miserable.

[Armenian]

News From Lebanon

Turks seethe over German resolution
Erdogan rejects as 'ugly' the decision to investigate massacres and expulsion of Armenians a century ago

By Rym Ghazal
Daily Star staff

BEIRUT: Just days after Lebanese Armenians protested in Beirut during Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's visit, German Parliament passed a resolution on Thursday asking Turkey to re-examine its role in the "Armenian massacre" a century ago and take "responsibility," sparking great anger from Turkish officials.

German lawmakers adopted a cross-party resolution asking the Berlin government to press Turkey to investigate the "organized expulsion and destruction of the Armenians" and foster reconciliation, a motion passed "with votes from the whole house," announced parliamentary Vice President Antje Vollmer after a show of hands.

Turkish Premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan reacted by calling the decision "wrong" and "ugly" upon returning from Lebanon.

Erdogan said it was "wrong that the Federal German Parliament has, without discussing or negotiating the issue, sacrificed it to the demands of simple [Armenian] lobbies. Beyond it being wrong, it is ugly."

An official statement from the Turkish Embassy in Lebanon said: "This resolution is regrettable and we strongly condemn it. There is no evidence for the Genocide claims up to this day and it should be left to the historians to decide, not by parliamentarians." Meanwhile the Tashnag Party, the largest Armenian party in Lebanon, released a statement that said: "The Armenians all around the world are truly grateful for this courageous step."

The statement also noted that resolution fell short of using the word "genocide," using instead "killings" and "massacres" in reference to the mass killings, and added that "if Turkey had similar courage and dared to deal with the dark side of its past, the Armenian quest would have been resolved a long time ago." Lebanon is home to the largest Armenian community in the Arab world, made up of descendants of survivors of the 1915-17 massacres in Turkey.

Armenians have been accusing Turkey of genocide for the past 100 years, where the community annually protests against Turkey's mass killings of 1.5 million Armenians as part of what they claim a 1915-23 Turkish campaign to force Armenians out of eastern Anatolia. At the time, Armenia was part of the Ottoman Empire. Turkey remains extremely sensitive over this issue, denying the killings and stating the death count is inflated and that Armenians were killed or displaced along with others as the empire tried to quell civil unrest.

While the motion didn't mention Turkey's bid to join the EU, it did say that the Armenian issue is an example of how Turkey needs to "guarantee freedom of speech," an area where Ankara has been told it must improve if it is to join the EU. Germany's Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder has been one of Turkey's strongest backers in its membership bid.

In addition, the motion included recognizing a limited German role in the massacre as Germany was Ottoman Turkey's main ally during World War I and failed to stop it, with the German Parliament asking "the Armenian people for their forgiveness."

Source: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article....ticle_id=16040

[Armenian]

The creation of more excuses to block Turkey's EU hopes.

"Turkey must admit Armenian dead"

French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier

France has said Turkey must improve its human rights record
France has said it will ask Turkey to acknowledge the mass killing of Armenians from 1915 as a "tragedy" when it begins EU accession talks.

French Foreign Minister Michel Barnier said Turkey had "a duty to remember".

Armenians say 1.5 million of their people died or were deported from their homelands under Turkish Ottoman rule. Mr Barnier did not say it was genocide, although the French parliament has done so in the past. Turkey says the victims died during civil unrest. Mr Barnier said France did not consider Turkish acknowledgement a condition of EU entry, but insisted his country would raise the issue once talks opened.

France will pose this question - I think that a big country like Turkey has a duty to remember
Michel Barnier, French Foreign Minister

Where Turkey's bid stands

Speaking to reporters after a meeting of EU foreign ministers to discuss plans to invite Turkey for accession talks, Mr Barnier said Turkey "must carry out this task as a memorial". In addition, France believes that accession talks should not begin before the second half of 2005, Mr Barnier said. Turkey has pushed for immediate negotiations. "I believe that when the time comes, Turkey should come to terms with its past, be reconciled with its own history and recognise this tragedy," Mr Barnier said.

'So-called genocide'

His comments drew no immediate official response from Turkey, which has consistently denied orchestrating genocide.

A foreign ministry spokesman in the Turkish capital, Ankara, told Reuters that Turkey has never and will never recognise "any so-called genocide".

Armenia alleges that the Young Turks, in 1915 the dominant party in the Ottoman Empire, systematically arranged the deportation and killing of 1.5 million Armenians.

Turkish relations with independent Armenia, which borders Turkey to the north, have long been coloured by the issue.

About 300,000 Armenians live in France, more than in any other European country, and community leaders have pledged to pressure French President Jacques Chirac on the genocide issue during Turkish accession negotiations.

France passed a law officially recognising the Armenian genocide in 2001, cooling relations with Turkey and scuppering a major arms deal.

Another 14 nations, including Switzerland, Russia and Argentina, also classify the killings as genocide.

Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4092933.stm

[Otto]

yeah i know that so whats the point?... what ever the reason killing is a killing... but mostly thinking parallel with you but at the opposite sides i definitely agree with you.. you belong to the dark side my friend...you would make a great Turkish facist chasing minorities around ...

[Armenian]

being a human is kinda control the nature including human nature... but if you accept human nature as it is then you have no right to be angry to Turks.. i didnt see an angry sheep attacking the butcher to avange many sheeps killed in history..... it would be unnatural wouldnt it?... and very same human nature caused many Armenians (innocent or not) get killed...so if say it is human nature to kill humans (in order to avange or gain territroy or just pure satisfaction) then whats wrong in killing 1,5 million Armenians.... just human nature buddy... relax..

As a typical turk your perspective is bit twisted.

Human nature of Armenians, and Greeks for that matter, will seek to avenge the deaths of millions of innocent compatriots, simple as that.

Your nation commited horrible crime of epic proportions, thus don't be surprised that when the day comes, the fall of Ankara, all your neighbors will not have any compassion towards you, simple as that.

[Otto]

being a human is kinda control the nature including human nature... but if you accept human nature as it is then you have no right to be angry to Turks.. i didnt see an angry sheep attacking the butcher to avange many sheeps killed in history..... it would be unnatural wouldnt it?... and very same human nature caused many Armenians (innocent or not) get killed...so if say it is human nature to kill humans (in order to avange or gain territroy or just pure satisfaction) then whats wrong in killing 1,5 million Armenians.... just human nature buddy... relax.. we didnt do anything wrong..blame it on the human nature... ah and one more think... when we vanish from the world there will be some others to dominate you... whatever you say Armenians are peacifull folk and most of the others are not... you will never see your historic land again..maybe we will go...but you are not the one coming back amigo...

[Armenian]

Let this poor man believe to his nationalistic myths.

What Kaka-kitab is spewing is not a nationalistic myths - they are absurd jokes.

Any one, even with half a brain, realizes that:

Turkey is a artificially faricated nation based upon the bones of millions of aboriginal Christians.

Turkey is hated virtually by all its neighbors, Syrian, Armenia, Greece, Iran, Cyprus, Bulgaria, Serbia, Russia.

Turkey, although located within the finest region of the world with regards to geographic situation, economics, tourism, is perhaps one of the most backward nations on earth.

Turkey has an internal cancer, namely the kurds, that will destroy it one day.

The whole world except, Turks and Jews, realizes these peculiar aspects of Turkish reality. The European Union is very mindful of this as well. Europe needs Turkey on their south eastern flank for economic reasons. However, the EU will never allow such an abomination, as in the state of Turkey, to join the western world.

Turks are living in an absurd fantasy world.

The only reason why we Armenians keep discussing Turkey today is because we Armenians have a lot of unfinished business - land, money and blood.

I realize that there will be Armenians who will go along with money and Land reparations, but will oppose blood revenge. Those Armenians need to realize that they can't change human nature. If a criminal killed most of your family members, it is quite natural and quite human to seek revenge.

Thus, there will be Armenian who would seek turkish blood. Best Armenian *Hippys* can do it to simply get out of their way when the day comes.

Turkey will fall whether or not we Armenians fire a shot. Thus, all Armenians need to be ready for that inevitable day, the day when we can have our glorious tricolors flying upon the magnificent ruins of Ani, the ancient citadel of Van and our holy mountain of Ararat.

Armenians have been around for four thousand five hundred years. Long after the last turk disappears into the pages of history - we will still be around.

[Red Brigade]

it is true that you really have an artificial national identity

Turks are not a newly-born nation.

The first written scripts of Turkish language is dated to 600A.D. which is far earlier than most of the European nations

this one is class

Turks have established 16 states

Contrary, Turkey have problems only with you.

Let this poor man believe to his nationalistic myths.