Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

[karakitap]

No you have misunderstood everything. Our business is talking about and taking care of Armenian related issues. Turks are a problem which must be taken care of or the national security of Armenia will never be secure. If the genocide is not recognized by Turkey, there are no guarantees whatsoever that it will not occur again.

It is your newly-born "nation" of mongoloid squatters from Central Asia who have based their national identity on peoples they have committed Genocide against. Turks have Armenian, Greek, Assyrian , etc.. blood running through their veins from all the women your barbaric forefathers have raped. Turkey is based on Armenian land, and on the bones of 1.5 million Armenians who your forefathers have committed Genocide against.

We do not have problems with our neighbors. We are getting along just fine with the Iranians, the Georgians, the Russians, the Abkhaz. Pretty much everyone except the Turks. We have repeatedly called for normalization of relations.

Look at Turkey: greece, cyprus, iraq, iran, bulgaria, russia, syria

You have a problem with all of your neigbhors. You cannot even get along with your fellow muslims.

My friend lets talk about some facts instead of rhetoric.
1. Your diaspora's position about Turks is something more than "Armenian related issues" Because it is true that you really have an artificial national identity which is only based on Turkish hatred and it is unique in the world, there is no other nation like you who is based only an unlogical obsessive hate of another nation.
2. There is no need to rewrite that Turks are not a newly-born nation. The first written scripts of Turkish language is dated to 600A.D. which is far earlier than most of the European nations like all Scandinavians, all Balkan nations, almost all nordics, etc. Turks have established 16 states before in the history and about your claim of mongoloid central asian,etc. Anatolia is the homeland of Turks since 1000 years and we have monuments, states, etc. since a millenium, and we ar the majortity of these lands since a millenium.
3. About the issue of neighbours, stop rhetoric and admit the facts. It is your country Armenia who have problems with all its neighbours. Besides Turkey, you INVADED Azerbaijan, you hate Georgians, you don't have problems only with Iran I think. Contrary, Turkey have problems only with you. We are perfect with Georgia, Azerbaijan, Syria, Bulgaria. We have some problems with Greece but we are solving with them. We had some ideological problems with Iran before but now the relations are almost perfect.
And finally I recommend you to normalize your relations with your neighbours and think about how to prosper Armenia instead of childishly parrot how Turks are evil,etc.

[Andranik]

You are so funny people that all your daily business is talking about Turks, Turkey, etc. You have created yourselves a very interesting national identity which is based on another nation

Within a few years you will be our only problematic neighbour but it is normal of course since you are the nation which have problems with your neighbours.

No you have misunderstood everything. Our business is talking about and taking care of Armenian related issues. Turks are a problem which must be taken care of or the national security of Armenia will never be secure. If the genocide is not recognized by Turkey, there are no guarantees whatsoever that it will not occur again.

It is your newly-born "nation" of mongoloid squatters from Central Asia who have based their national identity on peoples they have committed Genocide against. Turks have Armenian, Greek, Assyrian , etc.. blood running through their veins from all the women your barbaric forefathers have raped. Turkey is based on Armenian land, and on the bones of 1.5 million Armenians who your forefathers have committed Genocide against.

We do not have problems with our neighbors. We are getting along just fine with the Iranians, the Georgians, the Russians, the Abkhaz. Pretty much everyone except the Turks. We have repeatedly called for normalization of relations.

Look at Turkey: greece, cyprus, iraq, iran, bulgaria, russia, syria

You have a problem with all of your neigbhors. You cannot even get along with your fellow muslims.

[Armenian]

DOUBTS CAST OVER TURKISH EU HOPES

Turkey's hopes of joining the European Union were thrown into further doubt yesterday when European foreign ministers acknowledged that the recent French and Dutch referendums on the EU constitution could affect Ankara's progress towards membership.

The EU has decided to scrap all specific references to plans to begin membership negotiations from the communiqué for an EU summit later this week, because of fears that France and Cyprus would toughen the conditions for talks to begin.

Concern about the EU's present and future enlargement was a significant factor in the No vote in both the French and Dutch polls, even though the Turkey negotiations were always likely to take at least a decade. Earlier, in an interview with Le Figaro newspaper, Mr. Douste-Blazy, France's new foreign minister, said: "Without the [constitutional] treaty it seems difficult to me to add new member states."

French officials said that any decision on whether to proceed with negotiations with Ankara set for October 3 would partly depend on Turkey's implementation of legal reforms introduced this month, even though the European Commission is not scheduled to assess such issues until November.

Even if talks begin on schedule, officials suggest, the negotiations could now take longer, and are more likely to fall short of a membership deal, than had appeared the case before the French and Dutch votes. Jack Straw, UK foreign minister, said British political parties were united in support for enlargement.

In Turkey, officials repeated assurances that the talks would begin on schedule on October 3. Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the prime minister, insisted at the weekend that the internal crisis gripping the EU had "nothing to do with us".

The fact that the EU also approved a protocol yesterday extending its customs union with Turkey to include the 10 states that joined in May last year was described as a positive step. Turkey, which believes the protocol does not imply formal recognition of the disputed island of Cyprus, is expected to sign the protocol as soon as it receives it.

By Daniel Dombey in Luxembourg and Vincent Boland in Ankara; FT, June 14 2005

Source: http://www.azg.am/?lang=EN&num=2005061803

[HyeJinx1984]

Yea, what he said.

[Hayq]

I believe Syrians, Iraqis, Armenains, and Bulgarians have a hate for the Turks.

Look Turk, no1 enters your forum and speaks about your nation. I have been to turkish forums, and let me tell you, besides military and how great you once WERE, there is nothing else being debated there.

That is REALLY why Turkey will never enter the European Union. They care nothing about law, nor about people, their prime concern is Military! Here is a reallly pathetic thing about TUrkey.

YOUR NAVY is as powerful as the Greek Navy. Your AIRFORCE is smaller than the GREEK one! Your Army operates obsolete M48 and M60s! Your population is that of Germany's yet your economy is poorer than HOLLAND! Turkish men outside Turkey marry foreign because they realize what big xxxxs their women are. Vice Versa!

If you really think that your race of "iron and fire" is something special, get in line, we all think we are great. That is until we get hit in the face with a hard slab of TRUTH.

Now please, we have our forum, you have yours...I ask you nicely to leave this forum alone. If you would like to engage in a conversation, you are free to do so.

[Crimson Glow]

Doesn't Israel call it a debatable issue as well?

Oops, you're right. Forgot about the partners in crime. Though I guess it depends on which Israeli you're talking to:

For example....

[HyeJinx1984]

Doesn't Israel call it a debatable issue as well?

[Crimson Glow]

You are so funny people that all your daily business is talking about Turks, Turkey, etc. You have created yourselves a very interesting national identity which is based on another nation

And you have nothing better to do then JOIN an Armenian forum to spend your time making futile attempts to refute the genocide? For shame.

Wow, you guys are in denial about EVERYthing, aren't you? First, you make the ridiculous claim that the genocide didn't happen (by the way, you're the ONLY nation that calls it a "debatable issue"). Now you're in denial about all the boardering nations that hate you. Interesting how that goes hand in hand. Stop listening to you idiotic government for a second, and try asking some Persians what they think of you, or some Greeks and Kurds how the resolutions to their issues are going.

[guaco]

The American political establishment with their lap dogs in England along with their Zionist benefactors worldwide, are the single most dangerous threat to European nations. One of the many strategic reasons why Washington has been trying hard to promote Turkish integration within Europe is to undermine Europe's great potential -- one that could theoretically surpass the political primacy America is enjoying today. The other major reason why Washington relentlessly promotes the Turkish issues is because of Ankara's close geo-strategic relationship with Tel-Aviv. Concurrently, Washington's utter fear of a Russian resurgence, along with Moscow's close regional allies, slowly rising from their Soviet ashes, is also prompting Washington to undermine Russian spheres of influences worldwide. This profound fear of Russia reestablishing its economic and military power worldwide is precisely why Washington has been providing support for such nations as Bosnia, Albania, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Georgia, Uzbekistan, Pakistan and indirectly supporting the bloody rebellion within Chechnya.

Regarding Turkey's EU bid: needless to say, it would be suicidal for Europe to incorporate the nation of Turkey within its structures. Besides the obvious fact that Turkey is a relatively primitive nation with an Islamic heritage and a bloody past, Turkey has serious geo-political problems with virtually everyone of it's neighbors. Turkey has serious territorial disputes with Armenians, Greeks, Cypriots, Iranians and Syrians. Moreover, Turkey has serious internal domestic issues with its Kurdish population and resurging Islamic fundamentalists. I do not believe that European nations are so stupid as to turn these Turkish "terminal ailments" into European ones. No European nation, however liberal, is foolish enough to consciously inflict itself with the aforementioned Turkish problems. Despite all your well founded concerns, I have not see a single tangible evidence that the European Union is truly preparing to incorporate Turkey within its organization. The real problem, or dilemma, for Europe is that it needs Turkey as a buffer nation strategically situated at the crossroads of the Eurasian continent. Moreover, Turkey's large armed forces is also important for the military establishment and defense industry of Europe. Considering the aforementioned, it is no surprise that official European policy is to keep Turkey at an arms length -- that is, close but not too close.

Throughout the past twenty years or so, every time Turkey got close in its bid to join the European Union, some European nation throws a "block" that thereby delays Turkey's "application process" for many years. European Union nations have utilized many of these diplomatic "blocks" to keep Turkey at a safe distance. Just to mention a few: the Armenian Genocide issue comes up periodically, at opportune times, to undermine Turkeys international stature; the plight of the Kurds is also being constantly used as a means of highlighting Turkey's severe human rights abuses; the situation within Turkish occupied northern Cyprus and the problems with Greece regarding the disputed islands are also major geo-political issues that European Union use to undermine Turkish entry bids. More recently, even the Turkish economic blockade of the Armenian Republic was brought up by European officials as a 'problem'.

However, one can rightfully ask: what is the likelihood of Turkey joining the European Union 'after' it comprehensively resolves all its internal and external problems? The only logical answer to that rhetorical question that I can see is the following: if Turkey "comprehensively and completely" solved all its geo-political and socio-political problems -- there would be no Turkey left to speak of. Large portions of disputed lands within Turkey would return to its rightful owners and the Kurds will have independence. Turkey exists today as a superficial nation, much similar to the Zionist state of Israel, that was the artificial byproduct of several Europe nations at the end of the First World War. Turkey will eventually disintegrate and disappear into the pages of history -- it is only a matter of time. Europeans realize this and, thus, will never accept such a cancerous tumor within their domain.

When you people hear official European comments insinuating that Turkey will eventually join the European Union, realize that it is just a diplomatic chess game that is being played with Turkey. The Turks do realize this as well, which is why there is growing public sentiments within Turkey today that wants their government to give up on their 'futile' effort in pursing a membership within European Union. Again, I need to reiterate that Europe needs Turkey as a geo-strategic buffer and as a consumer state within the foreseeable future. Therefore, it will do its best not to completely alienate Ankara. However, within this diplomatic chess game, the real danger comes from Washington and London along with their Zionist parasites. If Washington and London are given the opportunity of dictating or heavily influencing domestic and foreign policy of Europe - it will become death of Europe and western civilization as we know it. My only hope for the survival of Europe and, thus, western civilization, is for the nations of France, Germany and Russia to somehow consolidate their resources and politically unite.

You are so funny people that all your daily business is talking about Turks, Turkey, etc. You have created yourselves a very interesting national identity which is based on another nation

About your comments (although it seems that those are your hopes more tha your comments)
Turkey has no problem with its neighbours except Greeks and we are solving our problems with Greeks, too. Within a few years you will be our only problematic neighbour but it is normal of course since you are the nation which have problems with your neighbours.
Bad news for you but we are solving the Kurdish question, too. If you follow the developments at Turkey instead of hopelessly appeal to god to destroy Turkey, you would understand what I mean.

Finally about "Turkey will not exist in the future", you are a looser.

[HyeJinx1984]

Although I feel ridiculous reffering to you as "Armenian." Call me Mike form now on, or Jinx if you'd like... what's your name?