Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

[jgk3]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

Well the eu doesn't recognize n. cyprus, while turkey does, which violates a eu memberstates territorial integrity, that is one. Another is that n. cyprus and cyprus still have closed borders, other than the recent opening of the capital city, the rest of the border is closed. Also I think there may be an issue with Cypriot ships not being able to harbor at turkish ports, not sure if this is still the case though.

alright, thanks for the info.

[crusader1492]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

Al-Qaida draws more foreign recruits to Afghan war
Thursday, July 17, 2008
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By KATHY GANNON
PESHAWAR, Pakistan (AP) -- Afghanistan has been drawing a fresh influx of jihadi fighters from Turkey, Central Asia, Chechnya and the Middle East, one more sign that al-Qaida is regrouping on what is fast becoming the most active front of the war on terror groups.

More foreigners are infiltrating Afghanistan because of a recruitment drive by al-Qaida as well as a burgeoning insurgency that has made movement easier across the border from Pakistan, U.S. officials, militants and experts say. For the past two months, Afghanistan has overtaken Iraq in deaths of U.S. and allied troops, and nine American soldiers were killed at a remote base in Kunar province Sunday in the deadliest attack in years.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, warned during a visit to Kabul this month about an increase in foreign fighters crossing into Afghanistan from Pakistan, where a new government is trying to negotiate with militants.

Two U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information, told The Associated Press that the U.S. is closely monitoring the flow of foreign fighters into both Afghanistan and Pakistan.

Jihadist Web sites from Chechnya to Turkey to the Arab world featured recruitment ads as early as 2007 calling on the "Lions of Islam" to fight in Afghanistan, said Brian Glyn Williams, associate professor of Islamic history at the University of Massachusetts. Williams has tracked the movement of jihadis for the U.S. military's Combating Terrorism Center at West Point.

Local Afghans in the border regions are increasingly concerned about the return of the "Araban" or "Ikhwanis," as Arab fighters are known in the Pashtun language, Williams wrote in a CTC paper. He said there were rumors of hardened Arab fighters from Iraq training Afghan Pashtuns in the previously taboo tactic of suicide bombing.

Turkey also appears to have emerged as a source of recruits. Williams estimated as many as 100 Turks had made their way to Pakistan to join the fight in Afghanistan.

"The story of Turkish involvement in transnational jihadism is one of the best kept stories of the war on terror," said Williams, who noted that al-Qaida videos posted on YouTube mention Turks engaging in the insurgency. "The local Afghans whom I talked to claim that the Turks and other foreigners are more prone to suicidal assaults than the local Taliban."

Dozens of Turkish Islamic militants have trained in al-Qaida camps in Afghanistan and taken part in attacks there, said Emin Demirel, an anti-terrorism expert in Turkey. He said images of attacks on mosques or Muslim villages provide propaganda for recruiting young Turkish Muslims.

"Nowadays, they are effectively using the Internet to communicate with fellow militants, and police have difficulty in keeping tabs on several of the jihadist sites," said Demirel, author of several books on Turkish Islamic militant groups. "Turkish courts sometimes locally block access to one particular site, but it is still accessed outside Turkey. Those Web sites eulogize fallen fighters as martyrs in order to recruit among radical Muslim youths."

One example was Cuneyt Ciftci, the German-born son of Turkish immigrants, who took the Arabic nom de guerre of Saad Abu Furqan. In a video obtained last March by the AP, the 28-year-old was shown giving a final hug goodbye to some friends before blowing himself up outside a U.S. military base in eastern Afghanistan.

A Turkish news Web site, Uslanmam, said an Uzbek militant group called Islamic Jihad Union claimed responsibility and eulogized Ciftci as "the brave Turk who has left his luxury life in Germany and came here to go to paradise."

Just a couple of weeks later, newspapers in Pakistan reported that four Turkish nationals with suspected links to al-Qaida had been arrested by authorities on a bus. They were found with explosives, ammunition and jihadi sites on their laptop computers.

A senior official in Turkey's Interior Ministry said it has no information to corroborate claims of an increase in the number of Turks fighting in Afghanistan. The official asked not to be identified because Turkish rules bar civil servants from making statements to the press.

Al-Qaida's recruitment drive stems from a slow and steady resurgence that started in 2002, according to Taliban sources.

"They are awake," said Qari Mohammed Yusuf, who Afghan authorities confirm is a senior Taliban. "They have people going by different names to other countries. They are coming and going easily. In the last year, they have been organizing more day by day."

Al-Qaida has financed the Taliban in both Pakistan and Afghanistan, Yusuf told the AP. In the chaos created by the Taliban groups, al-Qaida has been able to steadily recruit, re-establish its public relations wing, plot new attacks and re-establish areas of operation on both sides of the border.

Some new recruits cross into Afghanistan's northern Balkh province or through Iran into Herat province in western Afghanistan, said Nangyal Khosti, a commander loyal to Jalaluddin Haqqani, a wanted terrorist. Those from Iran have often trained in Iraq and are hardened insurgents. The recruits, Yusuf said, head to Afghanistan's Paktika province, where there are roughly 150 Arab militants.

In Pakistan, al-Qaida recruits are sent to Waziristan and the lawless regions of the northwest along Afghanistan's eastern border, Yusuf said.

Afghan and Western officials say a key route for al-Qaida recruits is from Central Asia into northeastern Kunar and Nuristan provinces, where former U.S. intelligence officials suspect Osama bin Laden is hiding. Both provinces border Pakistan's Bajaur tribal area, where the Taliban hold sway and where the U.S. has targeted al-Qaida's No. 2, Ayman al-Zawahri.

The hulking mountains of Kunar and Nuristan soar thousands of feet and are heavily forested, giving militants good cover. Kunar was the location of the war's two deadliest attacks on U.S. soldiers _ on Sunday, with the killing of the nine Americans, and in June 2005, when militants shot down a helicopter and killed 16 soldiers.

Kunar and Nuristan are also the only areas in South Asia where the Wahhabi or Salafi strain of Islam dominates. Wahhabism is the main sect in Saudi Arabia and is followed by al-Qaida, while Afghanistan's Islamic traditions are more Sufi and mystical in nature.

Naseer Ahmed al-Bahri, who was bin Laden's bodybuard until 2000, told the AP in Yemen last year that al-Qaida has field commanders in countries from Indonesia to Senegal.

While al-Qaida may be sending most of its trainees to Afghanistan and Pakistan, it is probably also creating cells with the mission of attacking Western countries, including the United States, warned Erich Marquardt, senior editor with the Combating Terrorism Center.

"I think we have to accept the fact that al-Qaida has not taken its sights off the far enemy," he said. "Al-Qaida recognizes that it is fighting in multiple theaters and is therefore likely training fighters for different areas of operation."

[meline]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

From a purey legal perspective, admission to the EU entails harmonization of domestic legislation with that of the European Communities. This is the first point where Turkey flagrantly fails the criteria. The obvious example is article 304 in the turkish penal code "insult of the turkish state" as compared to the legislative framework of the eu. Politically speaking the two systems are incompatible. Plus the Cypruss issue, plus the fact that the majority of EU member states have recognised the Armenian Genocide, plus the fact that the draft law on penalizing denial of the AG is being discussed in the French Senate now, plus the growing concern on the number of turkish immigrants in Europe (as a proven source of tension and trouble), already show that the bid is doomed.
If I am not mistaken, Turkey began striving for EU membership as far back as 1963. So far the result boils down to a few partership agreements. Why? Because the EU is a marriage of convenience. It needs no clumsy partners, let alone troublesome ones. Like Armenian put it, it would be a suicide.
Like any other international organisation the EU has both its assets and drawbacks. And it also has historical memory. Quite strong, I would say, check the public opinion on the Turkish bid in France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Poland and Greece, to name but a few. Of course the UK is out of the picture here, because it has never really been a European state. Plus they have more than often associated with turks.

And last but not least, money talks
If Turkey is ever admitted to the EU that would mean free access to the Common Market, ergo cheap, low quality goods, flooding eu markets, cutting down prices and turning upside down the status quo of exports and imports. Ha!? The EU is mainly an economic union you really think they would commit this suicide? I think not.

[SoyElTurco]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

This thread is pathetic.

The fact that this thread is up shows how insecure and miserable the non-Turkish posters and discussers are. What the hell does any non-turk care if Turkey will get in or not? It shows an underlying pathology of wanting to displace one's own frustration, misery and humiliation.

The thread's title is "Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union" and not "Prospects of Turkey's EU membership," proves this thread is for people that want to gripe and belittle Turkey. - Absolutely miserable.

Making assertions out of something that is pure speculation is ridiculous, especially if there is nothing in it for you.

How much better is your own situation that you boldy make assertions and conclusions about another's? Just take a look at yourselves for a moment.

More productive avenues of discussion are better. I think there should be a thread about Armenia's EU prospects rather than Turkey's. Turkey's EU candidacy is only relevant in how it will affect Armenia. To assert Turkey won't get in isn't much of a discussion for Armenia, because - may God FORBID - if Turkey ever by some chance does get accepted, what will it mean for Armenia? Right now the discussion is useless because Turkey's non-acceptance/out-right future rejection is simply a continuation of its current state as a Non-EU member. The difference is, if Turkey does become an EU member, how it will affect Armenia, and currently Turkey is not an EU member and therefore the non-acceptance of Turkey will probably mean the continuation of the current Turkey-Armenia dynamic.

A better thread would be "Turkey-Armenia relations if Turkey were an EU member."

[seruven]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

@SoyElTurco,
Why are you so puzzled with this thread? As you like to discuss why Armenians couldnot build a long-lasting empire, they may like to discuss (realistic/imaginary/futile/useful/whatever) issues about Turkey.

@meline
There is already a customs union between Turkey and EU (since 1996).

As for me,
The target of membership to EU is more important for Turkey than the membership itself. All this membership process has changed Turkey a lot, and this is what all I (and most of the EU supporters in Turkey) care about.

[Armanen]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

What's even more pathetic is how turks come to an Armenian forum, spread the bs that they've been fed all their lives and then expect Armenians to accept them with open arms.

[meline]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

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@meline
There is already a customs union between Turkey and EU (since 1996).

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Yes, indeed. Still, you study economics, so I guess I do not need to remind you that the abovementioned customs union does not cover essential economic areas such as agriculture, services and procurement, which actually generate the highest profit. The 1996 customs union is basically limited to cheap consumer goods. It's the type of agreement that economic powers sign with Turkey, Taiwan, Indonesia or Cambodia and it's based on cheap labor force in the producing countries. It is in no way an indicator to economic satbility or capacity for viable partership.

[truAnatolian]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

You mean Turkey has things to export other than Hate filled nationalism and Pan Turkism?

[meline]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

You mean Turkey has things to export other than Hate filled nationalism and Pan Turkism?

Mops, disposable cheap goods

[Anoush]

Re: Why Turkey will never be admitted into the European Union

Mops, disposable cheap goods

Yeah really Meline jan, and who would want to buy from them? I think every Armenian should try to avoid their goods.