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  • #11
    Originally posted by IAmMadAtAC
    Yes this is a definite possibility I am worried about as well. I guess now's not a good time for a Kurdistan in Turkey, at least not until the genocide issue is finally resolved, which could be years.
    Not even! You want to support a people fighting against Turkey who is America's ally which has the power over Georgia and Azeristan. Using those two nations they cn easily hurt Armenia.

    You stay out of their mess, they stay out of yours.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by -Pyunik-
      If you have or know of any Armenians who escaped the genocide, or are from Turkey, go ask them what their Grandparents, and so on, think of Kurds. Or, read about what they did. Then, maybe, you will understand.
      Oh I very well understand, I know genocide stories and the big role Kurds played in them.

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      • #13
        Originally posted by -Pyunik-
        And you still wish to support them?
        No, I think we should overall stay out. Mostly since being in league with the PKK makes us look like terrorists. And of course they are stupid followers who were responsible for a great deal of the Armenian deaths in the genocide, though now we can't ignore the fact that we are both victims of the Turks.

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        • #14
          They did play a big role during the Armenian Genocide, but they have recognized the Armenian Genocide and what certain Kurdish tribes did by selling themselves to Turks was a big mistake for Kurdistan.
          Throughout all of history, the Ottomans used the Kurds as a tool against Armenians. Earlier Sultans relocated Kurds to parts of Western Armenia to balance the number of Christians and Muslims. Later on during the Genocide, the Turks promised them a Kurdistan if they help them out against the Armenians, and used Islam (and money) to motivate them more. (I guess the Kurds forgot that the real goal was to create a pan-TURKIC state.) They needed them because they, who had become natives of Western Armenia, knew where cetain Armenian villages or possible hideouts were located...

          So this is how we can put it: the tip of the sword was Kurdish, but the bloody hand controling it was Turkish.

          Now, ge zkhtchan for what they did to us. If they had helped us, we probably would have succeeded in the Revolution and Kurdistan would have been our southern neighbour.

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          • #15
            Originally posted by Dave

            So this is how we can put it: the tip of the sword was Kurdish, but the bloody hand controling it was Turkish.

            Now, ge zkhtchan for what they did to us. If they had helped us, we probably would have succeeded in the Revolution and Kurdistan would have been our southern neighbour.
            listen, crack head, there was no revolution. The hand was Turkish, the mind was Jewish.

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            • #16
              listen, crack head, there was no revolution
              Have you ever been to an Armenian school? Didn't they teach you about the ''Haygagan Heghapokhoutyoun''? I guess not. Some call the revolution ''widespread revolts''...

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              • #17
                Originally posted by Dave
                Have you ever been to an Armenian school? Didn't they teach you about the ''Haygagan Heghapokhoutyoun''? I guess not. Some call the revolution ''widespread revolts''...
                Well while there was some revolting, that is mostly what the Turks want the world to think. Widespread is by far an exaggeration. My family stories past down about the genocide include the Armenians joining the Turkish army when they would come to town conscripting them (and then would be taken and killed). Clearly if these towns were in "widespread revolt" they would have refused to even go. Another of my ancestors was a policeman in another town and again only by his connections in law enforcement was he able to gain passage for his family to escape. If Armenians were in revolt he wouldn't have been able to. Much of the revolutionary activity that occured was in 1915 and on, in response to the genocide. I have an ancestor who fought with Antranik, but he joined like many others after April 24 when he knew Armenians were being killed and needed to be defended. There was not a great deal of all-out revolts before the killings began, and the vast majority of Armenians were totally innocent people getting caught up in it.

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                • #18
                  Originally posted by Dave
                  Have you ever been to an Armenian school? Didn't they teach you about the ''Haygagan Heghapokhoutyoun''? I guess not. Some call the revolution ''widespread revolts''...
                  Yeah I have, and I hated it. It was BS that didnt teach me anything. Plus, they kept me in the same grade for 6 years, my sister caught up with me! Why? well, whenever I was to move up (every 2 years) some other kids who were friends with the majority of the upper class took my spot. I quit, and told them I was never returning because I went over the same phucking material for 6 phuking years!!!

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                  • #19
                    Originally posted by -Pyunik-
                    Same. I've heard stories of relatives being dragged off to "join the army and fight in the war", wearing only pants. Haha, being marched to war barefoot and without a uniform. But they had no choice, I think they knew, they would either die in front of their family or wherever they were being taken too, so they marched.

                    I want to make them march. One day.
                    The stories I have heard are even worse.

                    My grandfather tells me how they locked up his father's friends in a church and put ONE Turkish gaurd in front of it. When one of the family members who had escaped came during night to bribe the gaurd to give him his daughters back, the gaurd accepted and gave the daughters back while the others in the church just sat there, like sheep.

                    Stories of lines of Armenians numbering hundreds but only 10 or so Turkish soldiers, marching to their deaths, LIKE SHEEP.

                    The Armenians during the Genocide were sheeps. The ones who took to the mountains and fought were a different breed of Armenians compared to the majority of the sheep that died...

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                    • #20
                      Originally posted by Hayq
                      Stories of lines of Armenians numbering hundreds but only 10 or so Turkish soldiers, marching to their deaths, LIKE SHEEP.
                      I find calling them sheep to be insulting and disrespectful. You are forgetting that the men were often killed off first, under the guise of helping the army. Also all their weapons had already been taken away. So you expect a bunch of women, children, and old people to go against Turks with guns? Even if there are a lot of Armenians, just a few Turks with guns is enough to keep them in line.

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