Armenian support for the Kurdish cause?

[Hayq]

I find calling them sheep to be insulting and disrespectful. You are forgetting that the men were often killed off first, under the guise of helping the army. Also all their weapons had already been taken away. So you expect a bunch of women, children, and old people to go against Turks with guns? Even if there are a lot of Armenians, just a few Turks with guns is enough to keep them in line.

The truth hurts.

[IAmMadAtAC]

The truth hurts.

Ughh you alway make these short little responses that add nothing to the subject at hand. As I said, in my family stories as well as the well known history of the genocide, the men were taken first, leaving the women and children for the death marches. If you can tell me how thousands of starving Armenian children and mayrigs could have overtaken a band of Turkish soldiers in the desert, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise don't belittle their memory by calling them sheep that let everything that happened happen to them. Man, not only are you wrong about the current state of Armenia, but your Armenian history views suck too. And don't' you dare just say something like the truth hurts to respond, I want a real addressing of the issues I brought up on why you were wrong.

[HyeJinx1984]

Finally, someone who's Armenian history is worse than mine

[Hayq]

Ughh you alway make these short little responses that add nothing to the subject at hand. As I said, in my family stories as well as the well known history of the genocide, the men were taken first, leaving the women and children for the death marches. If you can tell me how thousands of starving Armenian children and mayrigs could have overtaken a band of Turkish soldiers in the desert, I'd love to hear it. Otherwise don't belittle their memory by calling them sheep that let everything that happened happen to them. Man, not only are you wrong about the current state of Armenia, but your Armenian history views suck too. And don't' you dare just say something like the truth hurts to respond, I want a real addressing of the issues I brought up on why you were wrong.

There were many men who escaped. I just explained to you how a man who escaped came to bribe a single Turkish gaurd.

[XxgoeyxX]

The truth hurts.

Wow Hayq, you disappoint me. Though, my opinion about you doesnt matter I still think you are being way to immature, but that has to do with your age. Thank you for saying things like that about our ancestor's. All I know is thank God that your great grandparents survived the Gencoide. If they did. If they were in it at all.

You talk about Armenians not being united and yet, you call some of them sheep. Very well done hayq.

Edit: I just read over your comment about your grandfather. I guess they were in it.

[IAmMadAtAC]

There were many men who escaped. I just explained to you how a man who escaped came to bribe a single Turkish gaurd.

Uhh of course men escaped. Did I ever say they didn't? The Turks and Kurds during the genocide were not omnipresent and did not have the capability of murdering every single Armenian man. This does not mean they were able to pick up a gun and start shooting at Turks, many were just trying to escape and survive. Also, the bribe that one man had was probably to help him get out of the country, not some sort of magic thing that made him invicible to Turks. Most of the gamavours were ones either coming back from the Diaspora and lived in areas not affected by the genocide. Those in the areas directly affected were more busy trying to survive than to go and fight back. That's what happens when you are in such terrible conditions. I resent you passing judgement on our ancestors as weak without ever having gone through the situation yourself. If you had lost everything and was sent out into the desert, I'd like to see your singlehandedly start an insurrection of starving old people, women, and children with no weapons against Turks with guns. Even if they succeeded the Kurds would have gotten them, completely unprotected now. Trying to say what the genocide victims should have done when you well know they were in an impossible situation is plain idiotic.

[Hayq]

Wow Hayq, you disappoint me. Though, my opinion about you doesnt matter I still think you are being way to immature, but that has to do with your age. Thank you for saying things like that about our ancestor's. All I know is thank God that your great grandparents survived the Gencoide. If they did. If they were in it at all.

Edit: I just read over your comment about your grandfather. Never mind the last two sentences of my post.

A lot of my family members died. But that is in the past.

Relax. The one thing Armenians can learn from this is that they are very split on issues. We could have won, many Armenians knew of what was going to happen, but they either ran or kept their mouths shut. Why did the Armenians go join the Ottoman Army? Because they were not very bright and like the sheep they are they follow their leader.

[IAmMadAtAC]

Why did the Armenians go join the Ottoman Army? Because they were not very bright and like the sheep they are they follow their leader.

Do you know what I love the most about this statement. How you have the gaul to criticize Armenians for being loyal to their nation's army when the Turks of today say the genocide happened because the Armenians were traitors who got what they deserved by rebelling!
So on one side we have Hayq saying the genocide happened because we never rebelled and were too loyal, and the Turks say the genocide happened because we didn't join the Ottoman army and went into all out rebellion! What the hell, we have two interpretations of history to explain the same event, and I think BOTH of them are stupid and wrong.
Also, ironic how you call Armenians "not bright" when they were the freaking intellectuals of the Ottoman Empire. When we were gone Turkey went stupid cause we were the backbone holding them up, intellectually, economically, etc.

[Hayq]

That's what happens when you are in such terrible conditions. I resent you passing judgement on our ancestors as weak without ever having gone through the situation yourself. If you had lost everything and was sent out into the desert, I'd like to see your singlehandedly start an insurrection of starving old people, women, and children with no weapons against Turks with guns. Even if they succeeded the Kurds would have gotten them, completely unprotected now. Trying to say what the genocide victims should have done when you well know they were in an impossible situation is plain idiotic.

Check it out, if they would have told me I was to join the Ottoman Army, I would think, "Gee, they tried to get us before in the late 80s, so why trust them?"

I would never be sent to the desert, my good man. Because only sheep believe that after all teh murder that has gone on around you, that you are going to be sent to a safe place to live.

Here is another thing, Armenians say that Turks are stupid, if this was true, they would have easily taken teh weapons from the Turks when they were asleep. It is HIGHLY possible, it has happened MANY times in other events.

I am talking about before 1915. What idiots believe such a thing with so much evidence before them, with so much aid being given by Russia and they just join the phucking Turkish Army? No...they died like sheep...

[Hayq]

Also, ironic how you call Armenians "not bright" when they were the freaking intellectuals of the Ottoman Empire. When we were gone Turkey went stupid cause we were the backbone holding them up, intellectually, economically, etc.

Intellectuals were in Istanbul, and the majority of which were excluded from the Genocide.