Turkey's EU Membership

[Thai-Samurai]

yeah and all you Turks who come here, most of you are just bored and looking for something to stimulate; if you really want to discuss the Genocide, go to www.allempireshistoryforum.com
or just type all empires history forum in google, theres all sorts of greeks, turks, armenians there talking about it all the time. This is a place for Armenians to hang out. I'm not saying your not welcome here, just don't ruin it for us.

[Կարմիր Բ]

There is no such "party line''

I never mentioned such thing as ''party line''.I said propaganda line and whether you like it or not you have been brainwashed and i would probably too be if i was in your place.

Everything you don't like is "official Turkish propoganda"

It is not a matter whether i like it or not.I have read Turkish propaganda sites and heared from Turks themsevles these exact statements numerous times.That is the reason that i said what i said.

I critisized the position of Turkey at the start.

Congratulations.

Noone can help you to escape from this narrow minded Turkish hatred thing but youselves. This Turkish obsession doesn't help your "war against Turkey"

I never hate an individual or an organized group of people.It affects my judgment.

[Sip]

You're probably a fool who thinks that "relocation" means "genocide".

Well ... maybe ... except that the "relocation" in this case was from being alive to being dead so I see how some people might think of it as genocide.

[Կարմիր Բ]

Don't turn to a western nation, you belong to here and it is "cool" to be eastern.

Armenia is neither exclusively western or eastern.Armenia has the characteristics of both west and east, something which makes the armenian civilization unique.

[cumanicus]

Armenia is neither exclusively western or eastern.Armenia has the characteristics of both west and east, something which makes the armenian civilization unique.

I agree, but you have to say it to your friends who desperately try to prove their western identity, not to me.

[cumanicus]

That would be fine cumanicus if you really had anything to seriously add concerning a critique of the Armenain dispora - and you haven't shown you really understand us at all yet or understand why we would adopt Western ways (in Western nations) for instance. Aditionally we find it amusing when Turks come here to dispense critisism just in general and specifically concerning anything having to do with the Armenain Genocide. Sorry - but (essentially) ignorant people (and this is not a racial statement per se - but because you are a brainwashed Turkish citizen - and this is true) should not be comming onto forums and dispensing critiscim and making comments in the presence of people who know a whole h ell of a lot more about these issues - in nearly every respect - then you do. You should be perhaps asking questions and enlightening us concerning how things are in Turkey and what and why - form your insider perspective - Turks might be saying and feeling certain things - trends on the street sort of thing - and even perhaps express your views concerning your history - but don't for a second think that you are preaching to us from a perspective of unique/special knowledge that you have and we don't (concerning the Armenains Genocide and history of this period) - and don't think that your shallow and uniformed critiques of us will elicit any response from us other then to make jokes and not take you seriously (at best) or in some cases - as when you and/or other Turks start blaming Armenains for things that just aren't true...etc - don't think - that when this concerns such as inssue that is dear to us - that involves our families and loved ones - who were killed in the most brutal and barbaric ways - and for those who survived (and lived through the most terrible and horrific of circumstances) and found their way to places where they could re-establish and make a living and provide for us - their offspring - a future etc that we won't shove your insensitivity and ignorance right back in your face. Sorry this is just reality. I like Turks - I really do - I have a number of close Turkish friends and even more Turkish aquaintances and I have been to Turkey a number of times - probably been more place in Turkey then you have (even if just briefly) - but I have a good understanding of Turks and I am not a hater or such - so please absorb and attempt to understand my words to you - I have perhaps a sliver of hope that I am hanging onto that perhaps you are not entirely stupid and naive.

Maybe you just need to give up this "I am victim and I belong to the good side, you can't critisize me, just confess the genocide and go away" psychology. You know that this "we are white civilised westerners and we are from the good side" syndrome is another think that is imposed with Hollywood movies. You know, Rambo has a right to kill all Vietnamese because he is a white and the opponents are fuc*ing "asiatics". And he is the good guy. Bush has a right to kill 100.000 Iraq civilian because he is white, he is from the good side and some Arabs dared to kill 2000 Americans at 9/11.
Not personally you maybe but I feel this at the general characteriscitcs of the posts here. "Asiatic, barbarian, mongoloid Turks" dared to killed "white Armenians who belong to western society" so we have a right everyway to insult them. If we had the power there is no ethical problem to terminate all Turks from universe. Childish but true.
I already said at the beginning that only thing that Turks have to do is to start with an apolpgize from the Armenian genocide. But then I "dared" to critisize Armenian diaspora as a Turk, and everybody start get the fu*k out of here thing. Just try to thing about it.

[Sip]

Maybe you just need to give up this "I am victim and I belong to the good side, you can't critisize me, just confess the genocide and go away" psychology.

Wow it's weird ... I was going to say almost the same thing about Turks: Maybe you just need to give up this "I am victim and I belong to the good side, you can't critisize me, just confess the genocide is a lie and go away" psychology.

[cumanicus]

Wow it's weird ... I was going to say almost the same thing about Turks: Maybe you just need to give up this "I am victim and I belong to the good side, you can't critisize me, just confess the genocide is a lie and go away" psychology.

Sip, you do not show any intellectual ability or even try to understand any points, just post reply to post. I am sorry but I just ignore you until you start to think and stop to post meaningless replies.

[skhara]

As far as I'm concerned, you can critisize anything and anyone you want. What's the relevance?

Maybe you just need to give up this "I am victim and I belong to the good side, you can't critisize me, just confess the genocide and go away" psychology. You know that this "we are white civilised westerners and we are from the good side" syndrome is another think that is imposed with Hollywood movies. You know, Rambo has a right to kill all Vietnamese because he is a white and the opponents are fuc*ing "asiatics". And he is the good guy. Bush has a right to kill 100.000 Iraq civilian because he is white, he is from the good side and some Arabs dared to kill 2000 Americans at 9/11.
Not personally you maybe but I feel this at the general characteriscitcs of the posts here. "Asiatic, barbarian, mongoloid Turks" dared to killed "white Armenians who belong to western society" so we have a right everyway to insult them. If we had the power there is no ethical problem to terminate all Turks from universe. Childish but true.
I already said at the beginning that only thing that Turks have to do is to start with an apolpgize from the Armenian genocide. But then I "dared" to critisize Armenian diaspora as a Turk, and everybody start get the fu*k out of here thing. Just try to thing about it.

[Sip]

Sip, you do not show any intellectual ability or even try to understand any points, just post reply to post. I am sorry but I just ignore you until you start to think and stop to post meaningless replies.

I guess you now see how I feel about the Turks who show up around here in general. All I did was rephrases what you said and apllied it back towards the Turks and all of a sudden I don't have any intellectual ability. I only said what you said!

What you have to understand is that the facts about genocide are not up to debate. Also what the Armenian Armenians and Diaspora Armenians "feel" is irrelevant. What IS relevant is Turkey's official position on the topic and the rest of b!tching and complaining about how Armenians b!tch and complain in the Diaspora or otherwise is completely irrelevant.

If Turkey wants in the EU, it better clean up it's act ... past, present, and future. Simple as that.