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  • #101
    Originally posted by Ari
    Hrant said theres more then 1mil this is Armenian blood so including ppl that have been converted to muslums etc i would think he knows more then you and secondaly arguing a point like that in what where talking about the EU is stupid and silly

    what do you mean by Turkey turks thing why dont u reply to what i said properly instead of pointing things out

    pffftt
    Ah, ok then. 1 million Armenian blood may be true.

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    • #102
      Originally posted by winoman
      Yeah agreed - but perhaps you can get a sense of Armenian frustration due to genocide denial....its really not good Karma (all around) to make and perpetuate these kinds of animosities...but yeah - we need to deal with the issues and understand people in nations as they exist in the real world - in all senses. Sure we have legitimate problems/issues with Turkey and a real beef with them (and this will always affect any raproachment as long as the denial of truth and our history continues) - but there is no point in getting carried away to the point of raving charactature and its always sad to see poeple revert to racist views. People are people and socities and cultures are what they are - good and bad. We need to deal with all in ways to bring out the good...and to allow for those who can see through the deceptions to come forth and influence things...only way there will be change...
      now wino started a Confession.
      Amen wino.

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      • #103
        Originally posted by Ari
        I didnt think about this before and i straight away thought Turkey EU NO xxxxN WAY!!!! but i just came back from a confrence listening to 2 men from Agos, the Armenian paper in turkey, Étienne and Hrant.

        Having Turkey in the EU is a good thing and will require change it also says EU members must be friends with neighbours once there in EU iam sure they will lift blockades on us.

        The genocide matter is not what we should be looking at iam sure it will come but one thing Turkey isnt good at resolving matters they pospone there problems but later they will realise they cant pospone things anymore and more will be addressed.

        Ill say it again i would like Turkey in EU, it will be great for the more then 1million Armenians in Turkey and will help Armenia grow too.
        Ok a proper reply since you don't behave like those some Beavis&Buttheads:
        Turkey-EU relations and Turkey-Armenia relations are not related and must not be related each other. Because when you politisize an issue like genocide you make the issue impossible to discuss maturely and noone can FORCE an argument by force to another nation. You may blame Turkey for some things, I may agree with you. I personally agree almost everything what Hrant and Etienne say. But Turkey or Turks in general is not only side that have to be blamed. Diaspora Armenians create a shield around them from this victim psychology and do not critisize their attitudes or allow others to critisize them. And they have an important role to keep Turkey-Armenia problems unsolved. Diaspora is the side that makes this genocide discussion impossible to talk. Otherwise for sure that Turkey and Armenia as a country and as a people can talk side by side and solve their problems even genocide. There were some tabuus in Turkey about Armenian issues but now they are dissapearing time to time. But diaspora never change (unfortunately this is the general attitude of all diasporas in the world. Sociologically all diasporas are conservative and resist to change) and more important thet do not allow Armenia to communicate with Turkey.
        Of course Armenia will benefit more from a Turkey which is a member of EU, but diaspora doesn't want it since they need an "evil Turk" to survive its identity, an identity that is based on a very unhealty obsession. Lets consider Turks are barbars, vampires, etc. Do you want a "barbaric and aggressive" neighbour or a "civilised, mature" one? Of course the second, but you (if you are from Armenia) have to persuade your B&Bs at diaspora for this.

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        • #104
          if you think about EU membership you should see that with EU criterias and kurdish breeding habits we wont have a proper Turkish republic left for our children... all i can see in the future is split up Turkey just like what happened to former Yugoslavia (wihich i believe we have a part in that issue)...

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          • #105
            and Cumanicus i think real sad thing is some of us the Turks need that evil turk barbarian turk stuff to confirm their identity... even me sometimes feel proud about it (so sad isnt it)...

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            • #106
              Originally posted by Otto3
              if you think about EU membership you should see that with EU criterias and kurdish breeding habits we wont have a proper Turkish republic left for our children... all i can see in the future is split up Turkey just like what happened to former Yugoslavia (wihich i believe we have a part in that issue)...
              This is exactly what I'm talking about. The Turkish mentallity has not changed. The Turkish race can not accept anybody BESIDES themselves and THEIR way of thinking.

              So because their will be a mixed-race agenda later on, that justifies supressing an entire race of people? (In this case, I'm talking about the Kurds).

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              • #107
                Originally posted by Otto3
                if you think about EU membership you should see that with EU criterias and kurdish breeding habits we wont have a proper Turkish republic left for our children... all i can see in the future is split up Turkey just like what happened to former Yugoslavia (wihich i believe we have a part in that issue)...
                Hehehe exactly! Go Turkey into EU!! Raa Raa!!

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                • #108
                  Originally posted by ace
                  This is exactly what I'm talking about. The Turkish mentallity has not changed. The Turkish race can not accept anybody BESIDES themselves and THEIR way of thinking.

                  So because their will be a mixed-race agenda later on, that justifies supressing an entire race of people? (In this case, I'm talking about the Kurds).
                  ace my friend you got a point here... it is worth thinking... actually i never thought it like a mixed race... i have thought it like "kurds more then turks"... do we want our country a mixed race country?

                  and also do you want Armenia become that way? a mixed race country?...
                  consult with a french... french are known by their strong sense of democracy...not like us the racist Turks
                  Last edited by Otto3; 11-26-2005, 11:05 PM.

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                  • #109
                    Originally posted by Otto3
                    ace my friend you got a point here... it is worth thinking... actually i never thought it like a mixed race... i have thought it like "kurds more then turks"... do we want our country a mixed race country?

                    and also do you want Armenia become that way? a mixed race country?...
                    consult with a french... french are known by their strong sense of democracy...not like us the racist Turks
                    If the Turkish government knew you were against their current policies, wouldn't you be prosecuted?

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                    • #110
                      Originally posted by ace
                      If the Turkish government knew you were against their current policies, wouldn't you be prosecuted?
                      Only if he writes it down and uses the letters "Q" and "W".
                      Plenipotentiary meow!

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